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From: MildMan on 22 Dec 2006 14:17 Dear Margrove, I posted a message on alt.support.anxiety-panic on December 20. I was also told you would be able to provide me with some advice. I am in desparate need and beg you to read the thread and give me any advice. I feel lonely in this depression and would beg you to do this. Thanks in advance. -- ========== Please DELETE this text block when replying! ========== Contact the moderators at: asapm-board(a)stump.algebra.com The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm ========= This notice is added to each approved article ==========
From: margrove2 on 22 Dec 2006 17:28 On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 15:32:23 -0600, MsMonarchdancer(a)gmail.com wrote: >On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:17:21 -0600, "MildMan" <dodi72(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >::Dear Margrove, >:: >::I posted a message on alt.support.anxiety-panic on December 20. I was >::also told you would be able to provide me with some advice. >:: >::I am in desparate need and beg you to read the thread and give me any >::advice. I feel lonely in this depression and would beg you to do this. >:: >::Thanks in advance. > >Dear Mildman, > >Welcome to ASAPM! I hope you don't mind, but I am going to repost your >messages from ASAP here in this thread so everyone can read it. > >Jackie >___________________________________________________ >1st one.... > >Please help me. I feel like I am going into a depression again and I do >not know what to do. > >I would like to tell you a little about my previous experience. It >might be a bit long but I beg you to read it and give me any advice. I >feel very lonely now. The previous time I posted here (a bit more than >a year ago), I got a lot of reponses. This made me feel a lot less >lonely and it encouraged me and made me feel better. I thank you all >for that and wish you could do this for me again. > >I am a 34 year old male. About a year and a half ago, when my wife was >about 8 months pregnant, I broke my toe. This toe breaking made me feel >helpless, worthless. To make matters worse, I had to tape my toes >together which made me feel very uncomfortable. My ear suddenly got >blocked and made matters even worse. I started having panic attacks >several times a day. I was crying all the time. I did not care that I >will have a baby soon. This continued for 3 weeks. I was visiting my >doctors to have my ear and toe checked all the time. I became obsessed >with going to the doctors to check my physical symptoms. This was the >first time I felt like that in my life. > >After so many visits to him, my general practitioner advised me to >visit a psychiatrist which I did. He gave me xanax and asked me to >start taking Fluvoxamine (started with 50mg and increased till I >reached 150mg). He told me to used the Xanax on an as needed basis >rather than regulary. I was sceptical about taking antidepressants >because of all the talk about it. However, after reading the newgroups >and posting, I decided that medication was the answer. I strarted >taking medication. The Xanax helped a lot. I took it regularly (0.5mg x >4 times a day) and it lifted my mood. I started also taking the >Fluvoxamine (we call it Dumyrox over here). > >The big day came, my son was born I had been on Dumyrox for about 3-4 >days and was still taking Xanax. However, the birth of the baby made me >feel a lot better. > >At that time, my toe was still imobilized but I did not care much. Also >my ear was still blocked but I paid less attention to it than before. >It still bothered me though. > >A bit few weeks later, I was back to my old self, and slowly did not >need xanax any more, so I started reducing it until I did not take it >anymore. > >I kept visiting the psychiatrist regularly (one a month) but after >about 6 months I became very busy and was travelling regularly. I >became very active at work and did not have time to visit my doctor >anymore. > >After being on Fluvoxamine for a bit more than a year, I was feeling >extremely well, and I decided (without consulting my doctor) to stop >it. So after reading about it, I gradually started reducing my dose, from >150mg (daily) to 100mg for about a month, then to 50mg for about 2 >weeks and then 25mg for 10 days. > >I took my last pill about 3 months ago, and I still felf very good. > >20 days ago, I caught a cold and my ear got blocked. Suddenly, my mood >started going bad. My ear made me very uncomfortable. I was easily >irritated. I was fighting with my wife. I did not pay much attention to >my little boy. >I visited an ENT for my blocked ear. He gave me some medication. > >I still feld very bad. I went to my Psychiatrist and he told me to use >Xanax on an as-needed basis and to see him again after 2 weeks. At the >time, we heard bad news that my father in-law, who has lung cancer, his >situation deterioreted and was supposed to undergo more therapy. I went >almost crazy when I heard that because so far his situation stable. > >Since I heard this news, I cannot stop crying, I cannot stop thinking >about death, I feel lonely, and I feel I will be a lot more lonely if >somethings happens to my father-in-law. I feel so dependant on him >(although in reality, I am not dependant on him, except for some advice >sometimes). I also cannot stop thinking how my wife would feel and how >is wife would feel and how his family would feel if something happens >to him. My mind goes to the extent of thinking what would happen to my >wife and baby if something happens to me (If I go crazy, if I lose my >job, If I die, etc) especially that her father may not be with us >anymore. > >I went to my doctor again (when the 2 weeks were due, i.e. yesterday) >and after talking, he suggested that I restart fluvoxamine. and >continue to use xanax on an 'as needed basis' > >I am again very skeptical about restarting it. I am worried that I will >have to live on it for the rest of my life. >I read a lot on the internet and I know that SSRI's have some long term >effects like weight gain, sexual dysfunction, and maybe other unknown >long term side-effects. > >I would beg you to please give me advice or tell me what you think? >Does taking the antidepressant make me more prone to another relapse? > > >Thanks in advance. > >2nd one.... > >Thank you for your responses. They helped me a lot in making my mind >up. I have decided to restart the medication yesterday. > >After staring at the pill (Fluvoxamine) for a very long time, I finally >took it. > >I know it is not magical and it will take a few weeks to make me feel >better. Today I am suffering from a lot of anxiety and having panic >attacks (2 so far). I am taking the usual 1/2pill of Xanax (i.e. >0.25mg), on an as needed basis, however, it is not diminishing my >anxiety. > >I have already been taking 0.25mg about 3 to 4 time a day for the past >3 weeks. My doctor said I can take more if I need to since this is >still considered a very small dose. > >I am contemplating whether I can take 1 pill instead of half when I get >those feelings. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Is there a fear >of addiction if I continue to do so until the Fluvoxamine kicks in? >Maybe on source of my anxiety is the fact that I am taking medication. >I have an issue with medication... I don't like them. I also feel a bit >heavy in the head over my right eye. Could they be related or am i >amplifying symptoms ?? > > >Please, please, please answer me... > > >Thank you > > >I am in desperate need > > >3rd one..... > >Thanks everyone. > >I tried taking a whole pill of Xanax yesterday and could not keep my >eyes open. You seem to have explained why this happened before I even >had the chance to ask the question. Thanks for that. > > >I woke up not feeling too well again, I felt the beginning of a panic >attacked. I tried to get my mind off it. 30 minutes later, I took 1/2 >Xanax. If I don't feel better within an hour, I will take another half. >I also woke up with a migraine. I've been having those for the past >week. It could be my sinus. I don't usually have migraines, well, not >after I solved my hypertension problem many years ago. I am not under >any medication for that by the way. > > >If I may ask one more question, I have an allergy and may need to take >antihistamines. My doctor said that this will double the effect of my >Xanax and advised me not to drive. That was before I started >fluvoxamine. Does anyone have any experience with that? The >antihistamine I plan to take has a 24 hr effect (either Xozal: >levocetirizine dihydrochloride or Aerius: desloratadine 5mg) you can use these medications with luvox and xanax safely. I no longer read asap- it is important to clearly analyze a few things the most important is whether your inner ear issue is a trite one or a bona fide trigger for anxiety. So I would need to know what it is and what it is being treated with-some inner ear conditions like labrynthitis can cause symptoms of anxiety-having a plugged ear canal would mean you have a very low threshold for discomfort-A broken toe, a plugged ear cannot make you feel anything other then the symptoms they impart-How you process the information or "thoughts" and "beliefs" about those conditions can speak volumes about how you react to them. Using xanax and luvox together makes for a somewhat unstable level of xanax, I hope your doctor is aware of this and uses appropriate dosing for both meds-if these medications helped you in the past then it is pretty safe to say they can help you now, but like then, they will take time. If xanax isn't reducing the anxiety level your doc can either change it to clonazepam, which is safer to use with luvox, or switch the luvox right off to another ssri med that will not interact with the metabolism of xanax. Your conditon of discomfort seems to be somewhat re-occurent which is common, so using meds for protracted periods is also not uncommon-none of these meds have any long term safety issues in vivo and clinical practice-their long term use has not been studied in per review reasearch however, so there may be some issues that present over time-but the benefit vrs risk is what you need to pay attention to-if the benefits allow you to function more fully, then, personally I would opt for using a medication. I would also recommend you seek some conselling therapy from smoeone experienced in cognitive behavioral therapy. You will get better, you can recover and you are safe > > >Finally... I have a bad feeling about all this. I feel this time things >are going to be permanent. I will permanently be depressed/ sad/ lonely >/ anxious...I cannot get this thought out of my mind. Am I going to >feel better? I really cannot live like that. you can live like that -it may be uncomfortable and inconvenient-NOTHING is permanent and NOTHING is awful right now you are befuddled and scared-this confusion and fear is speaking for you-you are also angry and frustrated, this is keeping you impatient-be patient, persistant and optimistic and stay busy and externally focused-as you can se when you are, you suffer less > > >Thanks again ... > > > >~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~ >~Remember >~This December, >~That love weighs more than gold! > ~*~Josephine Dodge Daskam Bacon~ > > > -- ========== Please DELETE this text block when replying! ========== Contact the moderators at: asapm-board(a)stump.algebra.com The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm ========= This notice is added to each approved article ==========
From: cheche on 22 Dec 2006 21:42 Sad people each has their own reason but the happy one just have one reason. You should believe that everything can be better . If you think "I am in deep depression " maybe you will in a bad state. Care more about your baby and your wife and the happy things around you. When I am in bad state I will try to do some worthless things or concentrate my minds on Tv or nature and it works well on me. You can find your own way to be happy. I hope you can be well soon! MildMan wrote: > Dear Margrove, > > I posted a message on alt.support.anxiety-panic on December 20. I was > also told you would be able to provide me with some advice. > > I am in desparate need and beg you to read the thread and give me any > advice. I feel lonely in this depression and would beg you to do this. > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > ========== Please DELETE this text block when replying! ========== > Contact the moderators at: asapm-board(a)stump.algebra.com > The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm > ========= This notice is added to each approved article ========== -- ========== Please DELETE this text block when replying! ========== Contact the moderators at: asapm-board(a)stump.algebra.com The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm ========= This notice is added to each approved article ==========
From: MildMan on 29 Dec 2006 02:26 Thank you all for your support. I am feeling a lot better now. I am taking the medication and I have decided this is the way to go. It is almost like magic. Just a few days ago life had no meaning, and today I feel great. My doctor told me that I seem to respond quite well, and fast to the medication he has given me. He also mentioned that I do not react well to stress and have the tendancy to use any physical discomfort to trigger a depression. To answer margrove regarding my ear, I do not have an 'functional' or physical dysfunction in the ear. I just have a minor nasal diversion which causes my ear to get a bit blocked when I catch a cold due to the blockage of the eustachian tube. This is not uncommon and it happens to many people as my ENT explained. It's like the feeling you get during take-off or landing when you are on a plane. What margrove noted as a "very low threshold for discomfort" is absolutely true. I also discussed this with my doctor. I never had such a low threshold for discomfort, but I've become like that lately (i.e. about 2 years ago). One time I was on an overcrowded plane and felt so uncofortable that I got off. Fortunately I did that before the plane took-off :) Well, the doctor seems to correlate all this to stress brought about by a change in lifestyle, marriage, baby, hard work, etc... The doctor also advised that whenever I have anxiety or stress, it is better to have a xanax than let all this stuff accumulate and build-up within my body and mind. He also told me to think positively and always look at the big picture: all the positive things happening in my life. Anyway thanks for all your advice. It helped a lot to feel I am not alone out there. Any further thoughts, advice is highly appreciated. I hope you all had a merry christmas and wish you all the best of health, joy, and success in the year 2007. On Dec 23, 4:42 am, "cheche" <cfcflyc...(a)fastmail.fm> wrote: > Sad people each has their own reason but the happy one just have one > reason. > You should believe that everything can be better . If you think "I am > in deep depression " maybe you will in a bad state. Care more about > your baby and your wife and the happy things around you. > When I am in bad state I will try to do some worthless things or > concentrate my minds on Tv or nature and it works well on me. You can > find your own way to be happy. > I hope you can be well soon! > > > > > > MildMan wrote: > > Dear Margrove, > > > I posted a message on alt.support.anxiety-panic on December 20. I was > > also told you would be able to provide me with some advice. > > > I am in desparate need and beg you to read the thread and give me any > > advice. I feel lonely in this depression and would beg you to do this. > > > Thanks in advance. > > > -- > > ========== Please DELETE this text block when replying! ========== > > Contact the moderators at: asapm-bo...(a)stump.algebra.com > > The charter is available at:http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm > > ========= This notice is added to each approved article ==========-- > ========== Please DELETE this text block when replying! ========== > Contact the moderators at: asapm-bo...(a)stump.algebra.com > The charter is available at:http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm > ========= This notice is added to each approved article ==========- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - -- ========== Please DELETE this text block when replying! ========== Contact the moderators at: asapm-board(a)stump.algebra.com The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm ========= This notice is added to each approved article ==========
From: _TJ_ on 29 Dec 2006 09:15 "MildMan" <dodi72(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:1167376719.766475.33420(a)k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Thank you all for your support. > I am feeling a lot better now. I am taking the medication and I have > decided this is the way to go. > It is almost like magic. Just a few days ago life had no meaning, and > today I feel great. LOL, sounds like great some stuff!! What meds are you on? I wish you continued success with your regime :-) -- _TJ_ <TJ_IREL at YAHOO dot IE> -- ========== Please DELETE this text block when replying! ========== Contact the moderators at: asapm-board(a)stump.algebra.com The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm ========= This notice is added to each approved article ==========
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