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From: J0hn Smith on 4 Jul 2006 23:55 Another women drives a man to kill himself and his children. I guess he didn't want to be screwed in the divorce court. It is so sad to hear bout this type of multiple homocide. However, it is disgusting that the role of the f-ing wife will not be even investigated. How long can America afford such random killings without asking what triggered it? What did the damn wife do? -------------------------------------------------------- Man kills 4 children, self, police say Updated 7/4/2006 11:22 PM ET GUSTINE, Calif. (AP) - A man who was seen arguing with his wife Tuesday later killed his four young children with a hunting rifle before turning the gun on himself, officials said. The children apparently died of gunshots to the head, and their father, Trevor Branscum, 38, died of a self-inflicted wound, Mayor Jim Bonta said. Police Sgt. Vince Inaudi said the children appeared to be sleeping when they were shot. The evidence was consistent with a murder-suicide, but the department planned to conduct a full homicide investigation, he said. Authorities identified the dead siblings as Aubrie, 12; Jacob, 10; and twins Taylor and Alyssa, both 5. The wife, Amanda Branscum, was uninjured, officials said. The Branscums had lived in Gustine for three years, and there were no reports of domestic violence with the family, Inaudi said. Trevor and Amanda Branscum were married on Valentine's Day in 2003, Inaudi said. All four children were theirs. Steven Morris, 18, who lived across the street from the Branscums, said he saw the family lighting fireworks on their front lawn Monday night. "They always seemed really happy," Morris said. "I never heard any arguments from the house. It's sad because the kids didn't do anything. Kids don't deserve that." The bloodshed came about an hour after a store owner called police to report that Trevor Branscum and his wife were arguing. Amanda Branscum went in to buy a few things, and her husband followed her into the market, police said. The merchant said that as the woman drove away in a van, her husband dove through the window. The store owner declined to comment on the dispute that preceded the violence. As officers searched for the van, police said, another call came in at 1:30 a.m. of shots fired at the Branscum home. Officers saw Amanda Branscum lying in the road uninjured; the bodies of Trevor Branscum and the children were inside the house. Gustine, with a population of about 5,200, is about 90 miles northwest of Fresno in California's San Joaquin Valley. The deaths Tuesday were the community's first reported killings in nearly four decades. "It's kind of shocking in this area," said 41-year-old neighbor Francisco Torres, whose daughter was friends with Aubrie. "You always hear about crime in other cities, but it's shocking because it's your own neighbors." Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. Find this article at: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-07-04-calif-shootings_x.htm
From: Doug Laidlaw on 5 Jul 2006 07:33 J0hn Smith wrote: > Another women drives a man to kill himself and his children. I guess he > didn't want to be screwed in the divorce court. It is so sad to hear bout > this type of multiple homocide. > > However, it is disgusting that the role of the f-ing wife will not be even > investigated. How long can America afford such random killings without > asking what triggered it? What did the damn wife do? > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Man kills 4 children, self, police say > > Updated 7/4/2006 11:22 PM ET > GUSTINE, Calif. (AP) - A man who was seen arguing with his wife Tuesday > later killed his four young children with a hunting rifle before turning > the gun on himself, officials said. > The children apparently died of gunshots to the head, and their father, > Trevor Branscum, 38, died of a self-inflicted wound, Mayor Jim Bonta said. > > Police Sgt. Vince Inaudi said the children appeared to be sleeping when > they were shot. The evidence was consistent with a murder-suicide, but the > department planned to conduct a full homicide investigation, he said. > > Authorities identified the dead siblings as Aubrie, 12; Jacob, 10; and > twins Taylor and Alyssa, both 5. The wife, Amanda Branscum, was uninjured, > officials said. > > The Branscums had lived in Gustine for three years, and there were no > reports of domestic violence with the family, Inaudi said. Trevor and > Amanda Branscum were married on Valentine's Day in 2003, Inaudi said. All > four children were theirs. > > Steven Morris, 18, who lived across the street from the Branscums, said he > saw the family lighting fireworks on their front lawn Monday night. > > "They always seemed really happy," Morris said. "I never heard any > arguments from the house. It's sad because the kids didn't do anything. > Kids don't deserve that." > > The bloodshed came about an hour after a store owner called police to > report that Trevor Branscum and his wife were arguing. > > Amanda Branscum went in to buy a few things, and her husband followed her > into the market, police said. The merchant said that as the woman drove > away in a van, her husband dove through the window. The store owner > declined to comment on the dispute that preceded the violence. > > As officers searched for the van, police said, another call came in at > 1:30 a.m. of shots fired at the Branscum home. Officers saw Amanda > Branscum lying in the road uninjured; the bodies of Trevor Branscum and > the children were inside the house. > > Gustine, with a population of about 5,200, is about 90 miles northwest of > Fresno in California's San Joaquin Valley. The deaths Tuesday were the > community's first reported killings in nearly four decades. > > "It's kind of shocking in this area," said 41-year-old neighbor Francisco > Torres, whose daughter was friends with Aubrie. "You always hear about > crime in other cities, but it's shocking because it's your own neighbors." > > Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material > may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. > > Find this article at: > http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-07-04-calif-shootings_x.htm He did it, but saying that it was the woman's fault is not warranted on the evidence. This is becoming increasingly common, even here in Australia. To suggest that the husband did it to avoid the Divorce Court is as unfair to him as it is to her. More likely, he didn't want to lose his children, but even that is only a guess. I myself have been a divorce lawyer. Most of the divorcing couples are ordinary, decent people who care deeply about each other and their children. (There are, of course, exceptions.) People do strange things under extreme emotional pressure. Having just been on the brink of a separation myself, I know what can happen. But here in Australia, we have no constitutional right to carry a gun. The whole thing is a tragedy - more so in that a bit of intervention earlier might have saved 5 lives. I wonder whether this is a product of the "nuclear family"? In the extended family situation, people didn't keep these feelings bottled up as much. They had someone to talk to. They had friends they could confide in. On ASM, we were referred to a study that suggested that Americans are getting lonelier: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.marriage/browse_thread/thread/a1279e46d719b569/6e5b366f2cac3a86#6e5b366f2cac3a86 Doug L. -- I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly, for you tread on my dreams. - W.B. Yeats.
From: Bill in Co. on 5 Jul 2006 16:15 Doug Laidlaw wrote: > J0hn Smith wrote: > >> Another women drives a man to kill himself and his children. I guess he >> didn't want to be screwed in the divorce court. It is so sad to hear bout >> this type of multiple homocide. >> >> However, it is disgusting that the role of the f-ing wife will not be even >> investigated. How long can America afford such random killings without >> asking what triggered it? What did the damn wife do? >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Man kills 4 children, self, police say >> >> Updated 7/4/2006 11:22 PM ET >> GUSTINE, Calif. (AP) - A man who was seen arguing with his wife Tuesday >> later killed his four young children with a hunting rifle before turning >> the gun on himself, officials said. >> The children apparently died of gunshots to the head, and their father, >> Trevor Branscum, 38, died of a self-inflicted wound, Mayor Jim Bonta said. >> >> Police Sgt. Vince Inaudi said the children appeared to be sleeping when >> they were shot. The evidence was consistent with a murder-suicide, but the >> department planned to conduct a full homicide investigation, he said. >> >> Authorities identified the dead siblings as Aubrie, 12; Jacob, 10; and >> twins Taylor and Alyssa, both 5. The wife, Amanda Branscum, was uninjured, >> officials said. >> >> The Branscums had lived in Gustine for three years, and there were no >> reports of domestic violence with the family, Inaudi said. Trevor and >> Amanda Branscum were married on Valentine's Day in 2003, Inaudi said. All >> four children were theirs. >> >> Steven Morris, 18, who lived across the street from the Branscums, said he >> saw the family lighting fireworks on their front lawn Monday night. >> >> "They always seemed really happy," Morris said. "I never heard any >> arguments from the house. It's sad because the kids didn't do anything. >> Kids don't deserve that." >> >> The bloodshed came about an hour after a store owner called police to >> report that Trevor Branscum and his wife were arguing. >> >> Amanda Branscum went in to buy a few things, and her husband followed her >> into the market, police said. The merchant said that as the woman drove >> away in a van, her husband dove through the window. The store owner >> declined to comment on the dispute that preceded the violence. >> >> As officers searched for the van, police said, another call came in at >> 1:30 a.m. of shots fired at the Branscum home. Officers saw Amanda >> Branscum lying in the road uninjured; the bodies of Trevor Branscum and >> the children were inside the house. >> >> Gustine, with a population of about 5,200, is about 90 miles northwest of >> Fresno in California's San Joaquin Valley. The deaths Tuesday were the >> community's first reported killings in nearly four decades. >> >> "It's kind of shocking in this area," said 41-year-old neighbor Francisco >> Torres, whose daughter was friends with Aubrie. "You always hear about >> crime in other cities, but it's shocking because it's your own neighbors." >> >> Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material >> may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. >> >> Find this article at: >> http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-07-04-calif-shootings_x.htm > > He did it, but saying that it was the woman's fault is not warranted on the > evidence. This is becoming increasingly common, even here in Australia. > To suggest that the husband did it to avoid the Divorce Court is as unfair > to him as it is to her. More likely, he didn't want to lose his children, > but even that is only a guess. I myself have been a divorce lawyer. Most > of the divorcing couples are ordinary, decent people who care deeply about > each other and their children. (There are, of course, exceptions.) People > do strange things under extreme emotional pressure. Having just been on > the brink of a separation myself, I know what can happen. But here in > Australia, we have no constitutional right to carry a gun. The whole thing > is a tragedy - more so in that a bit of intervention earlier might have > saved 5 lives. > > I wonder whether this is a product of the "nuclear family"? In the extended > family situation, people didn't keep these feelings bottled up as much. > They had someone to talk to. They had friends they could confide in. On > ASM, we were referred to a study that suggested that Americans are getting > lonelier: > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.marriage/browse_thread/thread/a12 79e46d719b569/6e5b366f2cac3a86#6e5b366f2cac3a86 Indeed, we are digging our own graves, but few see it.
From: saulgoode on 6 Jul 2006 07:53 J0hn Smith wrote: > Another women drives a man to kill himself and his children. I guess he > didn't want to be screwed in the divorce court. It is so sad to hear bout > this type of multiple homocide. > > However, it is disgusting that the role of the f-ing wife will not be even > investigated. How long can America afford such random killings without > asking what triggered it? What did the damn wife do? You don't want to set that precedent. Women kill their kids, too. They usually strangle or drown them (they don't shoot them), but the guy doesn't get blamed in those cases. Heck, what about that chick a few weeks ago who dropped her kids off a pier? Where's the post on that? - Saul > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Man kills 4 children, self, police say > > Updated 7/4/2006 11:22 PM ET > GUSTINE, Calif. (AP) - A man who was seen arguing with his wife Tuesday > later killed his four young children with a hunting rifle before turning the > gun on himself, officials said. > The children apparently died of gunshots to the head, and their father, > Trevor Branscum, 38, died of a self-inflicted wound, Mayor Jim Bonta said. > > Police Sgt. Vince Inaudi said the children appeared to be sleeping when they > were shot. The evidence was consistent with a murder-suicide, but the > department planned to conduct a full homicide investigation, he said. > > Authorities identified the dead siblings as Aubrie, 12; Jacob, 10; and twins > Taylor and Alyssa, both 5. The wife, Amanda Branscum, was uninjured, > officials said. > > The Branscums had lived in Gustine for three years, and there were no > reports of domestic violence with the family, Inaudi said. Trevor and Amanda > Branscum were married on Valentine's Day in 2003, Inaudi said. All four > children were theirs. > > Steven Morris, 18, who lived across the street from the Branscums, said he > saw the family lighting fireworks on their front lawn Monday night. > > "They always seemed really happy," Morris said. "I never heard any arguments > from the house. It's sad because the kids didn't do anything. Kids don't > deserve that." > > The bloodshed came about an hour after a store owner called police to report > that Trevor Branscum and his wife were arguing. > > Amanda Branscum went in to buy a few things, and her husband followed her > into the market, police said. The merchant said that as the woman drove away > in a van, her husband dove through the window. The store owner declined to > comment on the dispute that preceded the violence. > > As officers searched for the van, police said, another call came in at 1:30 > a.m. of shots fired at the Branscum home. Officers saw Amanda Branscum lying > in the road uninjured; the bodies of Trevor Branscum and the children were > inside the house. > > Gustine, with a population of about 5,200, is about 90 miles northwest of > Fresno in California's San Joaquin Valley. The deaths Tuesday were the > community's first reported killings in nearly four decades. > > "It's kind of shocking in this area," said 41-year-old neighbor Francisco > Torres, whose daughter was friends with Aubrie. "You always hear about crime > in other cities, but it's shocking because it's your own neighbors." > > Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may > not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. > > Find this article at: > http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-07-04-calif-shootings_x.htm
From: J0hn Smith on 6 Jul 2006 10:14 "Doug Laidlaw" <laidlaws(a)dougshost.invalid> wrote in message news:1mksn3-pi9.ln1(a)dougshost.douglaidlaw.net... > He did it, but saying that it was the woman's fault is not warranted on the > evidence. I am not prepared to say that it was the woman's fault. All I am saying that to absolve her totally of any wrongdoing is also wrong. Her role must be investigated in how she triggered such a violent reaction in a man who otherwise did not display any signs of such instability in the past. If he did, why would she have remained married to him. Apparently, she felt safe enough to stay with him and have numerous children. >This is becoming increasingly common, even here in Australia. > To suggest that the husband did it to avoid the Divorce Court is as unfair > to him as it is to her. More likely, he didn't want to lose his children, > but even that is only a guess. I am sorry, this doesn't make sense to me. If he could have been afraid to lose the children (in the divorce court?), then how could you say that he did not want to face the divorce court? I myself have been a divorce lawyer. Most > of the divorcing couples are ordinary, decent people who care deeply about > each other and their children. True, but women steal the children from the fathers at least in the US. Women of feminist inclination have declared a war on men and they seek to punish men by stealing their children. Injustices faced by men in the divorce courts in the US are legendary. Heck, just a few weeks ago, some man in Nevada apparently got so angry at the court, that he allegedly tried to kill the judge. (There are, of course, exceptions.) People > do strange things under extreme emotional pressure. Having just been on > the brink of a separation myself, I know what can happen. But here in > Australia, we have no constitutional right to carry a gun. Convicted domestic abusers can not carry guns in the US. Also, we can't blame the guns, as a kitchen knife could have been used as well. If not that, than hands could have been used to strangulate. Granted, America is a far more violent society than Australia, but that is not because of the guns. The whole thing > is a tragedy - more so in that a bit of intervention earlier might have > saved 5 lives. What kind of intervention? > > I wonder whether this is a product of the "nuclear family"? In the extended > family situation, people didn't keep these feelings bottled up as much. > They had someone to talk to. They had friends they could confide in. On > ASM, we were referred to a study that suggested that Americans are getting > lonelier: that is an interesting take. In a society where individuals are valued above the collective, loneliness can happen. However, the despair of knowing that there will be no justice for a man/father among other things could have been another trigger for such action. > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.marriage/browse_thread/thread/a12 79e46d719b569/6e5b366f2cac3a86#6e5b366f2cac3a86 > > Doug L. > -- > I have spread my dreams under your feet; > Tread softly, for you tread on my dreams. > - W.B. Yeats. >
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