Iron In Type 2 Diabetes
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From: J666 on 10 Jun 2008 18:35 On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:15:46 -0500, ironjustice wrote (in article <4472c604-be8f-44a9-8f47-e803b4abaa15(a)8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>): > SINCE you cannot discern whether the post belongs in .. diabetes > groups .. I would suspect you would be unable to discern how diabetes > relates to cardiology. Discern ...... obviously you are a disciple of Chung and his "scientific" method of discerning.
From: Paul T. Holland on 10 Jun 2008 18:38 lol - let's use that 'logic' again tom ironjustice wrote: > > On Jun 10, 1:07 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...(a)bellatlantic.net> > wrote:already stated that it may be relevant to the diabetes group - > and no > > comment given upon the post itself.<< > > May be related to .. diabetes .. logic dictates that you cannot eliminate the word 'group' from what 'i' wrote unless you are deliberately attempting to change the meaning i compare posting to 'these' groups, vs had you posted in the diab. group... > > Let me give you some advice .. and if i were to say: 'no'? [that was, of course, rhetorical humor] > > SINCE you cannot discern whether the post belongs in .. diabetes actually tom, that is exactly what i did posit - that it belonged there, not here...unless, that is, you cared to expound upon 'why' you bothered to post to so many unrelated groups who have their own specific topic agenda you see, youngster - that is what you failed to do - give a short, and 'friendly' reason why you did so - instead, you just argue... > groups .. I would suspect you would be unable to discern how diabetes > relates to cardiology. gosh! you only 'suspect? and here 'i' would have thought that you would have remembered from previous contacts with me that i have several generations in my family who are type II i have over 60 years of personal reason to follow the literature, studies, and advances of knowledge re diabetes, vascular interrelationships, and new understandings. you see, it may impact my family directly so the more we learn the healthier they can be. you on the other hand, learn about things only from your singular perspective re iron. you haven't written anything that is your own, is really all that new, nor have you expanded upon the concept that the fe issue is adjunct to the underlying diabetic situation - it's an effect and needs to be addressed, but it's not going to do a durn thing to solve the 'causative' medical condition iron does not create the diabetic - > > Sooo .. since you actually KNOW .. nadda .. ABOUT.. **this** thread .. factually i know more about the medical condition, it's genetic and/or behavioral sources, and the combined modalities that are necessary to deal with it than you... and did i mention 'again' that you weren't posting to diabetes, you posted about it to numerous groups with no explanation? tsk, tsk > one might think there is no reason for you to POST .. to .. THIS > thread .. ? i realize that were i not to post in reply, you would find it more comfortable , and you would thus not have to actually explain yourself, but you know what? too bad. not my problem > > Yep .. indeed > > Who loves ya. > Tom > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! > http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh > > Man Is A Herbivore! > http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > > > bwahahaha > > > > "ironjust...(a)aol.com" wrote: > > > > > On Jun 9, 12:31 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...(a)bellatlantic.net> > > > wrote:why don't you explain what your post is doing 'here' in these > > > groups? << > > > > > Well at least you admit you .. don't .. know .. > > > > actually i did not - i asked which group 'you' referred to in your > > post...which you have not answered...it is, after all, typical of your > > defensive posture. > > > > > > > > > Heh .. heh .. > > > > found anyone to agree with your sense of humor yet? > > > > > > > > > One out of three of us is predicted to get .. diabetes. > > > > irrelevant to the issue of which group 'you' referred to in your post > > > > also irrelevant given the usenet charters of many of the groups you > > 'did' post to. > > > > already stated that it may be relevant to the diabetes group - and no > > comment given upon the post itself. > > > > that however, has nothing to do with your insertion of off-topic posts > > to groups wherein their charters specifiy topics... > > > > as 'you' would perhaps say: > > > > heh .. heh .. > > > > > > > > > That should cover it .. > > > > actually since you didn't answer the actual question put to you [please > > review todetermine just what it is] you haven't covered anything at all > > > > you 'have' put forth a specious justification for your original post, > > but that isn't what was being asked > > > > >but just in case .. exactly what group are you > > > posting out .. of .. ? > > > > by not answering the simple and specific question put to you, you > > haven't earned the the courtesy of being entitled to an answer of same > > question in return. > > > > > > > > > Holland .. could be alot of different groups seeing that you are very > > > near dead .. > > > > ah! but i'm not...nor even close - your silly jibes > > notwithstanding...lololol > > > > > > > > > Huh .. Holland .. > > > > > Look at the groups posted to and YOU tell .. me .. which of those > > > groups is NOT diabetes .. related. > > > > well now, even 'if' such were within the areas of discussion for any > > given group charter, > > not the issue kid - nor the question asked of you > > > > do try to track what is asked - as hard as that may be for lyou > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who loves ya. > > > Tom > > > > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! > > >http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh > > > > > Man Is A Herbivore! > > >http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 > > > > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > > >http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > > > > > > well - since you posted - about diabetes - in multiple groups 'except' > > > > diabetes > > > > > > and, while your post may have applicability in a diabetes group, you > > > > haven't given a rationale for posting in these 'non' diabetes groups - > > > > so: > > > > > > why don't you explain what your post is doing 'here' in these groups? > > > > > > "ironjust...(a)aol.com" wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 9, 8:01 am, J666 <j...(a)nowhere.com> wrote:So what else is new? > > > > > << > > > > > > > Explain what you are doing here .. > > > > > > > Who loves ya. > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh > > > > > > > Man Is A Herbivore! > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 > > > > > > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > > > > > > > > On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:53:12 -0500, ironjust...(a)aol.com wrote > > > > > > (in article > > > > > > <d18d1659-8d3f-442f-9097-48f38979b...(a)m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>): > > > > > > > > > The role of iron in type 2 diabetes in humans. > > > > > > > Rajpathak SN, Crandall J, Wylie-Rosett J, Kabat GC, Rohan TE, Hu FB > > > > > > > Biochim Biophys Acta 2008 May 3. > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > So what else is new?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -
From: ironjustice on 10 Jun 2008 21:34 On Jun 10, 3:35 pm, J666 <j...(a)nowhere.com> wrote:his "scientific" method of discerning. << And .. such as yourself .. fits in there somewhere .. ? Where would such as yourself .. fit .. in .. science .. ? How many different types of bacteria live in sht .. ? Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:15:46 -0500, ironjustice wrote > (in article > <4472c604-be8f-44a9-8f47-e803b4aba...(a)8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>): > > > SINCE you cannot discern whether the post belongs in .. diabetes > > groups .. I would suspect you would be unable to discern how diabetes > > relates to cardiology. > > Discern ...... obviously you are a disciple of Chung and his "scientific" > method of discerning.
From: ironjustice on 10 Jun 2008 21:44 On Jun 10, 3:38 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...(a)bellatlantic.net> wrote: snip << Long winded whack stroking himself .. I see you finally answered the question .. Fibromyalgia is the group you have figure is not related to diabetes. Now like I already pointed .. out .. you could not figure **conclusively** / "may belong in diabetes" .. an you figure you CAN figure out whether it belongs in .. fibromyalgia .. Like I said .. you cannot .. evidenced by .. ? The fact you are .. again .. whining how it "doesn't belong and is not related to diabetes" .. Sooo .. let me synopsy what you said .. "diabetes is not related to fibromyalgia" .. You are wrong .. Need proof .. ? Eat me .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > lol - let's use that 'logic' again tom > > ironjustice wrote: > > > On Jun 10, 1:07 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...(a)bellatlantic.net> > > wrote:already stated that it may be relevant to the diabetes group - > > and no > > > comment given upon the post itself.<< > > > May be related to .. diabetes .. > > logic dictates that you cannot eliminate the word 'group' from what 'i' > wrote unless you are deliberately attempting to change the meaning > > i compare posting to 'these' groups, vs had you posted in the diab. > group... > > > > > Let me give you some advice .. > > and if i were to say: 'no'? [that was, of course, rhetorical humor] > > > > > SINCE you cannot discern whether the post belongs in .. diabetes > > actually tom, that is exactly what i did posit - that it belonged there, > not here...unless, that is, you cared to expound upon 'why' you bothered > to post to so many unrelated groups who have their own specific topic > agenda > > you see, youngster - that is what you failed to do - give a short, and > 'friendly' reason why you did so - instead, you just argue... > > > groups .. I would suspect you would be unable to discern how diabetes > > relates to cardiology. > > gosh! you only 'suspect? and here 'i' would have thought that you would > have remembered from previous contacts with me that i have several > generations in my family who are type II > > i have over 60 years of personal reason to follow the literature, > studies, and advances of knowledge re diabetes, vascular > interrelationships, and new understandings. > > you see, it may impact my family directly so the more we learn the > healthier they can be. > > you on the other hand, learn about things only from your singular > perspective re iron. > > you haven't written anything that is your own, is really all that new, > nor have you expanded upon the concept that the fe issue is adjunct to > the underlying diabetic situation - it's an effect and needs to be > addressed, but it's not going to do a durn thing to solve the > 'causative' medical condition > > iron does not create the diabetic - > > > > > Sooo .. since you actually KNOW .. nadda .. ABOUT.. **this** thread .. > > factually i know more about the medical condition, it's genetic and/or > behavioral sources, and the combined modalities that are necessary to > deal with it than you... > > and did i mention 'again' that you weren't posting to diabetes, you > posted about it to numerous groups with no explanation? tsk, tsk > > > one might think there is no reason for you to POST .. to .. THIS > > thread .. ? > > i realize that were i not to post in reply, you would find it more > comfortable , and you would thus not have to actually explain yourself, > but you know what? too bad. not my problem > > > > > Yep .. > > indeed > > > > > > > Who loves ya. > > Tom > > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! > >http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh > > > Man Is A Herbivore! > >http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 > > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > >http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > > > > bwahahaha > > > > "ironjust...(a)aol.com" wrote: > > > > > On Jun 9, 12:31 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...(a)bellatlantic.net> > > > > wrote:why don't you explain what your post is doing 'here' in these > > > > groups? << > > > > > Well at least you admit you .. don't .. know .. > > > > actually i did not - i asked which group 'you' referred to in your > > > post...which you have not answered...it is, after all, typical of your > > > defensive posture. > > > > > Heh .. heh .. > > > > found anyone to agree with your sense of humor yet? > > > > > One out of three of us is predicted to get .. diabetes. > > > > irrelevant to the issue of which group 'you' referred to in your post > > > > also irrelevant given the usenet charters of many of the groups you > > > 'did' post to. > > > > already stated that it may be relevant to the diabetes group - and no > > > comment given upon the post itself. > > > > that however, has nothing to do with your insertion of off-topic posts > > > to groups wherein their charters specifiy topics... > > > > as 'you' would perhaps say: > > > > heh .. heh .. > > > > > That should cover it .. > > > > actually since you didn't answer the actual question put to you [please > > > review todetermine just what it is] you haven't covered anything at all > > > > you 'have' put forth a specious justification for your original post, > > > but that isn't what was being asked > > > > >but just in case .. exactly what group are you > > > > posting out .. of .. ? > > > > by not answering the simple and specific question put to you, you > > > haven't earned the the courtesy of being entitled to an answer of same > > > question in return. > > > > > Holland .. could be alot of different groups seeing that you are very > > > > near dead .. > > > > ah! but i'm not...nor even close - your silly jibes > > > notwithstanding...lololol > > > > > Huh .. Holland .. > > > > > Look at the groups posted to and YOU tell .. me .. which of those > > > > groups is NOT diabetes .. related. > > > > well now, even 'if' such were within the areas of discussion for any > > > given group charter, > > > not the issue kid - nor the question asked of you > > > > do try to track what is asked - as hard as that may be for lyou > > > > > Who loves ya. > > > > Tom > > > > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! > > > >http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh > > > > > Man Is A Herbivore! > > > >http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 > > > > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > > > >http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > > > > > > well - since you posted - about diabetes - in multiple groups 'except' > > > > > diabetes > > > > > > and, while your post may have applicability in a diabetes group, you > > > > > haven't given a rationale for posting in these 'non' diabetes groups - > > > > > so: > > > > > > why don't you explain what your post is doing 'here' in these groups? > > > > > > "ironjust...(a)aol.com" wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 9, 8:01 am, J666 <j...(a)nowhere.com> wrote:So what else is new? > > > > > > << > > > > > > > Explain what you are doing here .. > > > > > > > Who loves ya. > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! > > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh > > > > > > > Man Is A Herbivore! > > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 > > > > > > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > > > > > > > > On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:53:12 -0500, ironjust...(a)aol.com wrote > > > > > > > (in article > > > > > > > <d18d1659-8d3f-442f-9097-48f38979b...(a)m73g2000hsh.googlegroups..com>): > > > > > > > > > The role of iron in type 2 diabetes in humans. > > > > > > > > Rajpathak SN, Crandall J, Wylie-Rosett J, Kabat GC, Rohan TE, Hu FB > > > > > > > > Biochim Biophys Acta 2008 May 3. > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > So what else is new?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: Alan on 10 Jun 2008 21:53
ironjustice wrote: > On Jun 10, 3:38 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...(a)bellatlantic.net> > wrote: snip << > > Long winded whack stroking himself .. > > I see you finally answered the question .. > > Fibromyalgia is the group you have figure is not related to diabetes. > Now like I already pointed .. out .. you could not figure > **conclusively** / "may belong in diabetes" .. an you figure you CAN > figure out whether it belongs in .. fibromyalgia .. > > Like I said .. you cannot .. evidenced by .. ? > > The fact you are .. again .. whining how it "doesn't belong and is not > related to diabetes" .. > > Sooo .. let me synopsy what you said .. "diabetes is not related to > fibromyalgia" .. > > You are wrong .. > > Need proof .. ? > > Eat me .. I guess "eat me" means you lost this one. Go find someone else to bother Eat yourself............. |