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From: Paul T. Holland on 10 Jun 2008 16:07 bwahahaha "ironjustice(a)aol.com" wrote: > > On Jun 9, 12:31 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...(a)bellatlantic.net> > wrote:why don't you explain what your post is doing 'here' in these > groups? << > > Well at least you admit you .. don't .. know .. actually i did not - i asked which group 'you' referred to in your post...which you have not answered...it is, after all, typical of your defensive posture. > > Heh .. heh .. found anyone to agree with your sense of humor yet? > > One out of three of us is predicted to get .. diabetes. irrelevant to the issue of which group 'you' referred to in your post also irrelevant given the usenet charters of many of the groups you 'did' post to. already stated that it may be relevant to the diabetes group - and no comment given upon the post itself. that however, has nothing to do with your insertion of off-topic posts to groups wherein their charters specifiy topics... as 'you' would perhaps say: heh .. heh .. > > That should cover it .. actually since you didn't answer the actual question put to you [please review todetermine just what it is] you haven't covered anything at all you 'have' put forth a specious justification for your original post, but that isn't what was being asked >but just in case .. exactly what group are you > posting out .. of .. ? by not answering the simple and specific question put to you, you haven't earned the the courtesy of being entitled to an answer of same question in return. > > Holland .. could be alot of different groups seeing that you are very > near dead .. ah! but i'm not...nor even close - your silly jibes notwithstanding...lololol > > Huh .. Holland .. > > Look at the groups posted to and YOU tell .. me .. which of those > groups is NOT diabetes .. related. well now, even 'if' such were within the areas of discussion for any given group charter, not the issue kid - nor the question asked of you do try to track what is asked - as hard as that may be for lyou > > Who loves ya. > Tom > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! > http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh > > Man Is A Herbivore! > http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > > > well - since you posted - about diabetes - in multiple groups 'except' > > diabetes > > > > and, while your post may have applicability in a diabetes group, you > > haven't given a rationale for posting in these 'non' diabetes groups - > > so: > > > > why don't you explain what your post is doing 'here' in these groups? > > > > > > > > "ironjust...(a)aol.com" wrote: > > > > > On Jun 9, 8:01 am, J666 <j...(a)nowhere.com> wrote:So what else is new? > > > << > > > > > Explain what you are doing here .. > > > > > Who loves ya. > > > Tom > > > > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! > > >http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh > > > > > Man Is A Herbivore! > > >http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 > > > > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > > >http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > > > > > > On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:53:12 -0500, ironjust...(a)aol.com wrote > > > > (in article > > > > <d18d1659-8d3f-442f-9097-48f38979b...(a)m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>): > > > > > > > The role of iron in type 2 diabetes in humans. > > > > > Rajpathak SN, Crandall J, Wylie-Rosett J, Kabat GC, Rohan TE, Hu FB > > > > > Biochim Biophys Acta 2008 May 3. > > > > > > snip > > > > > > So what else is new?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -
From: ironjustice on 10 Jun 2008 16:15 On Jun 10, 1:07 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...(a)bellatlantic.net> wrote:already stated that it may be relevant to the diabetes group - and no > comment given upon the post itself.<< May be related to .. diabetes .. Let me give you some advice .. SINCE you cannot discern whether the post belongs in .. diabetes groups .. I would suspect you would be unable to discern how diabetes relates to cardiology. Sooo .. since you actually KNOW .. nadda .. ABOUT.. **this** thread .. one might think there is no reason for you to POST .. to .. THIS thread .. ? Yep .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > bwahahaha > > "ironjust...(a)aol.com" wrote: > > > On Jun 9, 12:31 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...(a)bellatlantic.net> > > wrote:why don't you explain what your post is doing 'here' in these > > groups? << > > > Well at least you admit you .. don't .. know .. > > actually i did not - i asked which group 'you' referred to in your > post...which you have not answered...it is, after all, typical of your > defensive posture. > > > > > Heh .. heh .. > > found anyone to agree with your sense of humor yet? > > > > > One out of three of us is predicted to get .. diabetes. > > irrelevant to the issue of which group 'you' referred to in your post > > also irrelevant given the usenet charters of many of the groups you > 'did' post to. > > already stated that it may be relevant to the diabetes group - and no > comment given upon the post itself. > > that however, has nothing to do with your insertion of off-topic posts > to groups wherein their charters specifiy topics... > > as 'you' would perhaps say: > > heh .. heh .. > > > > > That should cover it .. > > actually since you didn't answer the actual question put to you [please > review todetermine just what it is] you haven't covered anything at all > > you 'have' put forth a specious justification for your original post, > but that isn't what was being asked > > >but just in case .. exactly what group are you > > posting out .. of .. ? > > by not answering the simple and specific question put to you, you > haven't earned the the courtesy of being entitled to an answer of same > question in return. > > > > > Holland .. could be alot of different groups seeing that you are very > > near dead .. > > ah! but i'm not...nor even close - your silly jibes > notwithstanding...lololol > > > > > Huh .. Holland .. > > > Look at the groups posted to and YOU tell .. me .. which of those > > groups is NOT diabetes .. related. > > well now, even 'if' such were within the areas of discussion for any > given group charter, > not the issue kid - nor the question asked of you > > do try to track what is asked - as hard as that may be for lyou > > > > > > > Who loves ya. > > Tom > > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! > >http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh > > > Man Is A Herbivore! > >http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 > > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > >http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > > > > well - since you posted - about diabetes - in multiple groups 'except' > > > diabetes > > > > and, while your post may have applicability in a diabetes group, you > > > haven't given a rationale for posting in these 'non' diabetes groups - > > > so: > > > > why don't you explain what your post is doing 'here' in these groups? > > > > "ironjust...(a)aol.com" wrote: > > > > > On Jun 9, 8:01 am, J666 <j...(a)nowhere.com> wrote:So what else is new? > > > > << > > > > > Explain what you are doing here .. > > > > > Who loves ya. > > > > Tom > > > > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! > > > >http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh > > > > > Man Is A Herbivore! > > > >http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 > > > > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > > > >http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > > > > > > On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:53:12 -0500, ironjust...(a)aol.com wrote > > > > > (in article > > > > > <d18d1659-8d3f-442f-9097-48f38979b...(a)m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>): > > > > > > > The role of iron in type 2 diabetes in humans. > > > > > > Rajpathak SN, Crandall J, Wylie-Rosett J, Kabat GC, Rohan TE, Hu FB > > > > > > Biochim Biophys Acta 2008 May 3. > > > > > > snip > > > > > > So what else is new?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: Paul T. Holland on 10 Jun 2008 17:55 ! well done Michael B wrote: > > http://special-needs.families.com/blog/when-your-kid-thrives-on-negative-attention > > When Your Kid THRIVES on Negative Attention > > by Kristyn Crow > > My husband and I were having dinner recently with friends, and we > began to discuss our similar experiences with having a child who > thrives on negative attention. As our friends talked about their > situation, > we nodded and could definitely relate. We have a child just like > theirs-- > one who seems to be in trouble all the time, whose noise volume is > three decibels louder than everyone else's in the room, and who always > wants > to cause conflict. > > This got me thinking. What are the positive aspects of negative > attention? > Why would any child WANT it? Here's what I came up with: > > The Positive about the Negative > > 1. Say my name. It's been said that people love hearing the sound > of their own names. When you hear your name spoken aloud, it's a > tiny manifestation that you exist. You belong in the world. You're > acknowledged. So I imagine that if little Johnny is hearing, "Johnny! > Quit that! Johnny! Did you hear me? Johnny! I mean it! Johnny! Stop > that NOW! Johnny. . ." then little Johnny is certain to know he's > alive. > That's a lot of validation. > > 2. You say tomato, I say tom-ah-to. Conflict is stimulating. > Perhaps > these kids secretly feel some delight that a little bit of controversy > is > brewing. Think about it-human beings love debates. On television, we > crave the scandals. We like the news programs where two "experts" > hash it out. We like to watch presidential candidates squirm in the > hot seat. Maybe a little dispute with mom and dad provides some > well-needed intellectual stimulation. > > 3. Power to the people. Provoking others and causing upset is a > manifestation of power. If Susie has the ability to get her siblings > up > in arms, and has ruined or changed the family outing because of her > actions, that's a lot of influence she has on her world. In her view, > she > must truly be an important individual to have so much power. There > must be real satisfaction in that. > > So if negative attention can be desirable, how can we curb a child's > intense need for it? > > It's not the "negative" aspect of the attention that the child really > wants, > but the attention itself. From the above three examples, we can take > the positive desirable elements-recognition, intellectual > stimulation, > and power-and channel them toward the positive. > > * Recognition: Try saying your child's name numerous times a day > with a positive spin. "Wow, Johnny! You got ready for school today > early and even finished your homework! That's terrific!" And "I'm > proud > of you, Johnny!" Keep it on-point and not too sappy. Notice the good > things, and point them out. > > * Intellectual Stimulation: Try initiating some interesting > discussions > as you drive around town or make dinner with your child close by. > "What do you think about classrooms without desks? Some teachers > are thinking about trying that. Do you think you'd like a classroom > like > that?" Or, "Do you think there'll ever be a female president of the > United > States?" Actively listen to your son or daughter's opinions. Ask > questions. Show interest. > > * Power: These children might benefit from having a lot of choices > to > give them a sense of control. "Do you think we should make grilled > cheese sandwiches or go out for hamburgers?" "Let's start reading > together at night. What book should we start with?" "How would you > like to rearrange your bedroom? You can tell me how you'd like it." > With many choices available throughout the day, your son or daughter > might not need to engage in so many power-struggles. > > Our friends said they have tried to keep their family interactions as > positive as possible on a daily basis, so that negativity doesn't > become > the norm in their home. We've all seen that negativity can spread and > take over a family's way of communicating if parents don't take > active > steps to break the cycle. > > On Jun 9, 6:24 pm, J666 <j...(a)nowhere.com> wrote: > > > You really cannot be that stupid and are just being a troll, though not a > > good one.
From: J666 on 10 Jun 2008 18:35 On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:15:46 -0500, ironjustice wrote (in article <4472c604-be8f-44a9-8f47-e803b4abaa15(a)8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>): > SINCE you cannot discern whether the post belongs in .. diabetes > groups .. I would suspect you would be unable to discern how diabetes > relates to cardiology. Discern ...... obviously you are a disciple of Chung and his "scientific" method of discerning.
From: Paul T. Holland on 10 Jun 2008 18:38
lol - let's use that 'logic' again tom ironjustice wrote: > > On Jun 10, 1:07 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...(a)bellatlantic.net> > wrote:already stated that it may be relevant to the diabetes group - > and no > > comment given upon the post itself.<< > > May be related to .. diabetes .. logic dictates that you cannot eliminate the word 'group' from what 'i' wrote unless you are deliberately attempting to change the meaning i compare posting to 'these' groups, vs had you posted in the diab. group... > > Let me give you some advice .. and if i were to say: 'no'? [that was, of course, rhetorical humor] > > SINCE you cannot discern whether the post belongs in .. diabetes actually tom, that is exactly what i did posit - that it belonged there, not here...unless, that is, you cared to expound upon 'why' you bothered to post to so many unrelated groups who have their own specific topic agenda you see, youngster - that is what you failed to do - give a short, and 'friendly' reason why you did so - instead, you just argue... > groups .. I would suspect you would be unable to discern how diabetes > relates to cardiology. gosh! you only 'suspect? and here 'i' would have thought that you would have remembered from previous contacts with me that i have several generations in my family who are type II i have over 60 years of personal reason to follow the literature, studies, and advances of knowledge re diabetes, vascular interrelationships, and new understandings. you see, it may impact my family directly so the more we learn the healthier they can be. you on the other hand, learn about things only from your singular perspective re iron. you haven't written anything that is your own, is really all that new, nor have you expanded upon the concept that the fe issue is adjunct to the underlying diabetic situation - it's an effect and needs to be addressed, but it's not going to do a durn thing to solve the 'causative' medical condition iron does not create the diabetic - > > Sooo .. since you actually KNOW .. nadda .. ABOUT.. **this** thread .. factually i know more about the medical condition, it's genetic and/or behavioral sources, and the combined modalities that are necessary to deal with it than you... and did i mention 'again' that you weren't posting to diabetes, you posted about it to numerous groups with no explanation? tsk, tsk > one might think there is no reason for you to POST .. to .. THIS > thread .. ? i realize that were i not to post in reply, you would find it more comfortable , and you would thus not have to actually explain yourself, but you know what? too bad. not my problem > > Yep .. indeed > > Who loves ya. > Tom > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! > http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh > > Man Is A Herbivore! > http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > > > bwahahaha > > > > "ironjust...(a)aol.com" wrote: > > > > > On Jun 9, 12:31 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...(a)bellatlantic.net> > > > wrote:why don't you explain what your post is doing 'here' in these > > > groups? << > > > > > Well at least you admit you .. don't .. know .. > > > > actually i did not - i asked which group 'you' referred to in your > > post...which you have not answered...it is, after all, typical of your > > defensive posture. > > > > > > > > > Heh .. heh .. > > > > found anyone to agree with your sense of humor yet? > > > > > > > > > One out of three of us is predicted to get .. diabetes. > > > > irrelevant to the issue of which group 'you' referred to in your post > > > > also irrelevant given the usenet charters of many of the groups you > > 'did' post to. > > > > already stated that it may be relevant to the diabetes group - and no > > comment given upon the post itself. > > > > that however, has nothing to do with your insertion of off-topic posts > > to groups wherein their charters specifiy topics... > > > > as 'you' would perhaps say: > > > > heh .. heh .. > > > > > > > > > That should cover it .. > > > > actually since you didn't answer the actual question put to you [please > > review todetermine just what it is] you haven't covered anything at all > > > > you 'have' put forth a specious justification for your original post, > > but that isn't what was being asked > > > > >but just in case .. exactly what group are you > > > posting out .. of .. ? > > > > by not answering the simple and specific question put to you, you > > haven't earned the the courtesy of being entitled to an answer of same > > question in return. > > > > > > > > > Holland .. could be alot of different groups seeing that you are very > > > near dead .. > > > > ah! but i'm not...nor even close - your silly jibes > > notwithstanding...lololol > > > > > > > > > Huh .. Holland .. > > > > > Look at the groups posted to and YOU tell .. me .. which of those > > > groups is NOT diabetes .. related. > > > > well now, even 'if' such were within the areas of discussion for any > > given group charter, > > not the issue kid - nor the question asked of you > > > > do try to track what is asked - as hard as that may be for lyou > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who loves ya. > > > Tom > > > > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! > > >http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh > > > > > Man Is A Herbivore! > > >http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 > > > > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > > >http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > > > > > > well - since you posted - about diabetes - in multiple groups 'except' > > > > diabetes > > > > > > and, while your post may have applicability in a diabetes group, you > > > > haven't given a rationale for posting in these 'non' diabetes groups - > > > > so: > > > > > > why don't you explain what your post is doing 'here' in these groups? > > > > > > "ironjust...(a)aol.com" wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 9, 8:01 am, J666 <j...(a)nowhere.com> wrote:So what else is new? > > > > > << > > > > > > > Explain what you are doing here .. > > > > > > > Who loves ya. > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh > > > > > > > Man Is A Herbivore! > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 > > > > > > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > > > > > > > > On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:53:12 -0500, ironjust...(a)aol.com wrote > > > > > > (in article > > > > > > <d18d1659-8d3f-442f-9097-48f38979b...(a)m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>): > > > > > > > > > The role of iron in type 2 diabetes in humans. > > > > > > > Rajpathak SN, Crandall J, Wylie-Rosett J, Kabat GC, Rohan TE, Hu FB > > > > > > > Biochim Biophys Acta 2008 May 3. > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > So what else is new?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - |