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From: Gail on 19 Aug 2008 01:43
Hi,

I've had had an interesting couple of weeks and would like to pass on
recent information that seems relevant to thyroid sufferers.
Following Rod's recent post about the increased risk of breast cancer
for those of us on thyroid supplements someone posted an article about
iodised salt on one of the other thyroid lists. I did post it here
connected to Rod's original post. Basically it said that Autoimmune
Thyroid Disease was unknown before the introduction of Iodised Salt,
and this fact was discovered by Hashimoto - not just that there were
thryoid antibodies, but also that it only started happening after the
introduction of the iodised salt. The mechanism of the autoimmunity
seemed to come from the introduction of iodine in the presence of a
goitrogen (I presume that means the Chloride in the Iodised Salt
compound).
This was a basic aha moment for me - My mother diligantly fed our
whole family on iodised salt plus, because she'd had a lot of teeth
problems herself, every evening at dinner time we had a fluoride
tablet (another goitrogen) put out for us. So guess how many of my
family have autoimmune thyroid problems - 4 out of 6 confirmed and 2
are pretty dodgy (having symptoms but no diagnosis yet) plus both my
parents.
Have been reading on the Iodine Yahoo group where people are
supplementing with around 50mg of iodine daily along with a sea salt
loading protocol, (this seems a bit odd considering using iodised salt
is bad, but it seems to work), and found information in their files
which says:
"We watched the antibody levels carefully for several years when we
first started supplementing with iodine. We did not notice any
changes. They were essentially stable. The antibody levels are not a
result of iodine. Iodine actually stabilizes the internal structure
of the thyroid gland in both Graves and Hashimoto's. Autoimmunity is
an effect of methylation -- not iodine levels. If you increase the
methyl groups, the antibodies will drop. (Gave example of someone
with TPOab = 900. Gave methyl groups (e.g., 1 teaspoon per day of tri-
methylglycine). Antibodies dropped to 100 in one month."
and
"Hyperthyroid patients Graves disease patients and other with
autoimmune disease take iodine also but use lithium and copper among
other minerals ... to decrease the overproduction of thyroid hormones.
Iodine isn't reduced because it's the neutralizer of the thyroid.
Patients in a thyroid storm with high heartbeats are given iodine to
calm it down as normal medical practice."
"Goiters - In some patients with goiters the iodine will stimulate it
to produce more thyroid hormone and the patient will suddenly look
hyperthyroid with elevated T4 and losing weight. As the goiter shrinks
this normalizes."
"TSH accuracy. TSH is determined by the individual. Some people have
elevated TSH on iodine. This is due to Vit C deficiency in the
presence of iodine. He gives lots of Vit. C and the TSH goes down."

A couple of other interesting bits are around things that deplete the
body of iodine - one is Xrays (I knew my thyroid crashed after a
series of Xrays!) and another is Thryoid hormone replacement itself,
which could be why the risk of cancer increases.

And the other thing I've been reading is about Low Dose Naltroxone -
which apparently works for autoimmune disease because we have issues
with beta endorphin levels - it seems that if you can raise your basic
beta endorphin levels enough you can cure autoimmunity... sorry I
can't find the url for that one at the moment but googling it could
find it - also known as LDN.

So I've started on extra Iodine according to the protocol they
recommend - so far it feels good, (it seems to have a role in
decreasing cellular resistance so you need less Thyroid supplement),
and am doing whatever I can to increase my beta endorphins - I think
that means listening to nice music, exercising and other things that I
like doing....

Gail
From: Rod on 19 Aug 2008 03:11
Gail wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've had had an interesting couple of weeks and would like to pass on
> recent information that seems relevant to thyroid sufferers.
> Following Rod's recent post about the increased risk of breast cancer
> for those of us on thyroid supplements someone posted an article about
> iodised salt on one of the other thyroid lists. I did post it here
> connected to Rod's original post. Basically it said that Autoimmune
> Thyroid Disease was unknown before the introduction of Iodised Salt,
> and this fact was discovered by Hashimoto - not just that there were
> thryoid antibodies, but also that it only started happening after the
> introduction of the iodised salt. The mechanism of the autoimmunity
> seemed to come from the introduction of iodine in the presence of a
> goitrogen (I presume that means the Chloride in the Iodised Salt
> compound).
> This was a basic aha moment for me - My mother diligantly fed our
> whole family on iodised salt plus, because she'd had a lot of teeth
> problems herself, every evening at dinner time we had a fluoride
> tablet (another goitrogen) put out for us. So guess how many of my
> family have autoimmune thyroid problems - 4 out of 6 confirmed and 2
> are pretty dodgy (having symptoms but no diagnosis yet) plus both my
> parents.
> Have been reading on the Iodine Yahoo group where people are
> supplementing with around 50mg of iodine daily along with a sea salt
> loading protocol, (this seems a bit odd considering using iodised salt
> is bad, but it seems to work), and found information in their files
> which says:
> "We watched the antibody levels carefully for several years when we
> first started supplementing with iodine. We did not notice any
> changes. They were essentially stable. The antibody levels are not a
> result of iodine. Iodine actually stabilizes the internal structure
> of the thyroid gland in both Graves and Hashimoto's. Autoimmunity is
> an effect of methylation -- not iodine levels. If you increase the
> methyl groups, the antibodies will drop. (Gave example of someone
> with TPOab = 900. Gave methyl groups (e.g., 1 teaspoon per day of tri-
> methylglycine). Antibodies dropped to 100 in one month."
> and
> "Hyperthyroid patients Graves disease patients and other with
> autoimmune disease take iodine also but use lithium and copper among
> other minerals ... to decrease the overproduction of thyroid hormones.
> Iodine isn't reduced because it's the neutralizer of the thyroid.
> Patients in a thyroid storm with high heartbeats are given iodine to
> calm it down as normal medical practice."
> "Goiters - In some patients with goiters the iodine will stimulate it
> to produce more thyroid hormone and the patient will suddenly look
> hyperthyroid with elevated T4 and losing weight. As the goiter shrinks
> this normalizes."
> "TSH accuracy. TSH is determined by the individual. Some people have
> elevated TSH on iodine. This is due to Vit C deficiency in the
> presence of iodine. He gives lots of Vit. C and the TSH goes down."
>
> A couple of other interesting bits are around things that deplete the
> body of iodine - one is Xrays (I knew my thyroid crashed after a
> series of Xrays!) and another is Thryoid hormone replacement itself,
> which could be why the risk of cancer increases.
>
> And the other thing I've been reading is about Low Dose Naltroxone -
> which apparently works for autoimmune disease because we have issues
> with beta endorphin levels - it seems that if you can raise your basic
> beta endorphin levels enough you can cure autoimmunity... sorry I
> can't find the url for that one at the moment but googling it could
> find it - also known as LDN.
>
> So I've started on extra Iodine according to the protocol they
> recommend - so far it feels good, (it seems to have a role in
> decreasing cellular resistance so you need less Thyroid supplement),
> and am doing whatever I can to increase my beta endorphins - I think
> that means listening to nice music, exercising and other things that I
> like doing....
>
> Gail

Not so much answering your post (it will take more than a few minutes to
absorb its content!). But...

The other day I read that iodine intake in Australia has plummeted
between about 1990 and 1999 - from around 'adequate' to about half that.
The reason? Cow teat disinfection has switched from iodine-based to
chlorine-based substances. I have been trying to find out if that is
true elsewhere - but so far unsuccessfully. Will post a link to the
original story if/when I find it.

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
<www.thyromind.info> <www.thyroiduk.org> <www.altsupportthyroid.org>
From: Alan B. Mac Farlane on 19 Aug 2008 09:11
Goiter was around before iodized salt was mandated by goverment health
codes. So thyroid disorders were happening before ... also atomic bombs
were air blasted around this time of iodizing ... so there is another
co-vector to consider.

Autoimmune and immune issues (like cancering) have been happening, just
Dxing them back then was rare. There is an old fresco in Italy showing two
Roman doctors cutting off a black slave leg and transplanting it on the
white slave owner because of cancer says the history literature.

The transplant was successfull they also say and maybe bragging as it was
not replicated by them aparently. Real cheap ... slave leg transplants or
what ever transplants - satisfaction guaranteed. Remember as always this is
the IMO and all that rot stuff coming out !!!

sumbuddie wear blind sea

in article
76997ea6-9563-41bf-912d-ed7174fad22e(a)n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com, Gail at
gail_m_allen(a)hotmail.com wrote on 8/18/08 10:43 PM:

> Basically it said that Autoimmune
> Thyroid Disease was unknown before the introduction of Iodised Salt,
> and this fact was discovered by Hashimoto - not just that there were
> thryoid antibodies, but also that it only started happening after the
> introduction of the iodised salt.

From: Dee on 20 Aug 2008 09:39
I have to admit to being confused about iodine. I've read where people with
Hashimoto's are supposed to avoid iodine. So, right now I'm using 'iodized'
sea salt (iodized means the iodine has been taken out, right?) Not a good
idea? Should I switch to sea salt with iodine? I'm afraid I've become
paralyzed about my salt choices. : )

Dee

"Gail" <gail_m_allen(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:76997ea6-9563-41bf-912d-ed7174fad22e(a)n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> Hi,
>
> I've had had an interesting couple of weeks and would like to pass on
> recent information that seems relevant to thyroid sufferers.
> Following Rod's recent post about the increased risk of breast cancer
> for those of us on thyroid supplements someone posted an article about
> iodised salt on one of the other thyroid lists. I did post it here
> connected to Rod's original post. Basically it said that Autoimmune
> Thyroid Disease was unknown before the introduction of Iodised Salt,
> and this fact was discovered by Hashimoto - not just that there were
> thryoid antibodies, but also that it only started happening after the
> introduction of the iodised salt. The mechanism of the autoimmunity
> seemed to come from the introduction of iodine in the presence of a
> goitrogen (I presume that means the Chloride in the Iodised Salt
> compound).
> This was a basic aha moment for me - My mother diligantly fed our
> whole family on iodised salt plus, because she'd had a lot of teeth
> problems herself, every evening at dinner time we had a fluoride
> tablet (another goitrogen) put out for us. So guess how many of my
> family have autoimmune thyroid problems - 4 out of 6 confirmed and 2
> are pretty dodgy (having symptoms but no diagnosis yet) plus both my
> parents.
> Have been reading on the Iodine Yahoo group where people are
> supplementing with around 50mg of iodine daily along with a sea salt
> loading protocol, (this seems a bit odd considering using iodised salt
> is bad, but it seems to work), and found information in their files
> which says:
> "We watched the antibody levels carefully for several years when we
> first started supplementing with iodine. We did not notice any
> changes. They were essentially stable. The antibody levels are not a
> result of iodine. Iodine actually stabilizes the internal structure
> of the thyroid gland in both Graves and Hashimoto's. Autoimmunity is
> an effect of methylation -- not iodine levels. If you increase the
> methyl groups, the antibodies will drop. (Gave example of someone
> with TPOab = 900. Gave methyl groups (e.g., 1 teaspoon per day of tri-
> methylglycine). Antibodies dropped to 100 in one month."
> and
> "Hyperthyroid patients Graves disease patients and other with
> autoimmune disease take iodine also but use lithium and copper among
> other minerals ... to decrease the overproduction of thyroid hormones.
> Iodine isn't reduced because it's the neutralizer of the thyroid.
> Patients in a thyroid storm with high heartbeats are given iodine to
> calm it down as normal medical practice."
> "Goiters - In some patients with goiters the iodine will stimulate it
> to produce more thyroid hormone and the patient will suddenly look
> hyperthyroid with elevated T4 and losing weight. As the goiter shrinks
> this normalizes."
> "TSH accuracy. TSH is determined by the individual. Some people have
> elevated TSH on iodine. This is due to Vit C deficiency in the
> presence of iodine. He gives lots of Vit. C and the TSH goes down."
>
> A couple of other interesting bits are around things that deplete the
> body of iodine - one is Xrays (I knew my thyroid crashed after a
> series of Xrays!) and another is Thryoid hormone replacement itself,
> which could be why the risk of cancer increases.
>
> And the other thing I've been reading is about Low Dose Naltroxone -
> which apparently works for autoimmune disease because we have issues
> with beta endorphin levels - it seems that if you can raise your basic
> beta endorphin levels enough you can cure autoimmunity... sorry I
> can't find the url for that one at the moment but googling it could
> find it - also known as LDN.
>
> So I've started on extra Iodine according to the protocol they
> recommend - so far it feels good, (it seems to have a role in
> decreasing cellular resistance so you need less Thyroid supplement),
> and am doing whatever I can to increase my beta endorphins - I think
> that means listening to nice music, exercising and other things that I
> like doing....
>
> Gail


From: Gail on 20 Aug 2008 09:51
Hi Alan,

Yes, no argument - Goitres from iodine deficiency were the reason for
introducing Iodised Salt in the first place. And it is effective in
reducing Goitres - the article says that Hashimoto's discovery was the
antibodies which were never seen before the introduction of Iodised
salt, and that Iodine on it's own was unable to induce antibodies in
laboratory conditions - that was only possible when they added a
goitrogen to the mix. Hashimoto's discovery was in 1912, so while
atomic bombs may be relevant now, they weren't then. The article is
posted under the Breast Cancer Subject Topic line that Rod started but
here is a piece of it again:

"In several communities worldwide, an increased incidence of AIT was
reported
following implementation of iodization of sodium chloride (3). In
areas of the
United States where this relationship has been studied, mainly in the
Great
Lakes Region, a similar trend was reported. In 1966 and 1968 Weaver et
al (4,5)
from Ann Arbor Michigan reported: "The salient histopathological
feature of the
thyroid glands, removed at operation in a five-year period before
iodine
prophylaxis (1915 to 1920), was the paucity of lymphocytes in their
parenchyma,
and, more importantly, the absence of thyroiditis of any form" "It
should be
emphasized that the thyroid glands prior to the use of iodized salt
were devoid
of lymphocytes, and nodular colloid goiters with dense lymphocytic
infiltrates
were found after the introduction of iodized salt in 1924".

I started dosing with the Iodine protocol yesterday - so far it's
feeling good.
Have a look at the website http://www.iodine4health.com/

Gail.

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