Invitation to Derek: show me the true path
in [Vegetarian]
|
From: Rupert on 22 Aug 2008 23:50 So, Derek, show me how I've got it wrong. There's such a thing as a coherent animal rights position, is there? Tell me all about it. Am I morally entitled to buy antipsychotic medication, tofu, electricity? Why?
From: Dutch on 23 Aug 2008 00:39 Rupert wrote: > So, Derek, show me how I've got it wrong. There's such a thing as a > coherent animal rights position, is there? Tell me all about it. He won't, he can't, there isn't. > Am I morally entitled to buy antipsychotic medication, tofu, > electricity? Why? Yes, because the needs of humans trump the needs of other animals.
From: Rupert on 23 Aug 2008 02:04 On Aug 23, 12:39 pm, Dutch <n...(a)email.com> wrote: > Rupert wrote: > > So, Derek, show me how I've got it wrong. There's such a thing as a > > coherent animal rights position, is there? Tell me all about it. > > He won't, he can't, there isn't. > > > Am I morally entitled to buy antipsychotic medication, tofu, > > electricity? Why? > > Yes, because the needs of humans trump the needs of > other animals. We'll wait and see what Derek has to say; you also are welcome to try to show me the true path if you feel so inclined, but last time you weren't.
From: Dutch on 23 Aug 2008 03:37 Rupert wrote: > On Aug 23, 12:39 pm, Dutch <n...(a)email.com> wrote: >> Rupert wrote: >>> So, Derek, show me how I've got it wrong. There's such a thing as a >>> coherent animal rights position, is there? Tell me all about it. >> He won't, he can't, there isn't. >> >>> Am I morally entitled to buy antipsychotic medication, tofu, >>> electricity? Why? >> Yes, because the needs of humans trump the needs of >> other animals. > > We'll wait and see what Derek has to say; you also are welcome to try > to show me the true path if you feel so inclined, but last time you > weren't. The true path if you want to call it that is to be reasonable. Don't fall into semantic potholes like thinking that "speciesism" is anything like "sexism". We're not saints, we're animals. The world is dense with living organisms, we can't avoid killing them, our species is in competition with them. Don't torture animals, don't act with callous disregard for them. Try to act in ways that protect the environment, support and advocate for ways to improve conditions for animals. People like Derek who claim to believe in or that they are in accordance with extreme AR theory are delusional. I know that was not what you wanted to hear, but it's the answer.
From: Rupert on 23 Aug 2008 03:43
On Aug 23, 3:37 pm, Dutch <n...(a)email.com> wrote: > Rupert wrote: > > On Aug 23, 12:39 pm, Dutch <n...(a)email.com> wrote: > >> Rupert wrote: > >>> So, Derek, show me how I've got it wrong. There's such a thing as a > >>> coherent animal rights position, is there? Tell me all about it. > >> He won't, he can't, there isn't. > > >>> Am I morally entitled to buy antipsychotic medication, tofu, > >>> electricity? Why? > >> Yes, because the needs of humans trump the needs of > >> other animals. > > > We'll wait and see what Derek has to say; you also are welcome to try > > to show me the true path if you feel so inclined, but last time you > > weren't. > > The true path if you want to call it that is to be > reasonable. Well, I remember people used to give me a hard time about the word "reasonable". I don't see how any of my current practice is unreasonable. > Don't fall into semantic potholes like > thinking that "speciesism" is anything like "sexism". > We're not saints, we're animals. The world is dense > with living organisms, we can't avoid killing them, > our species is in competition with them. Don't torture > animals, don't act with callous disregard for them. > Try to act in ways that protect the environment, > support and advocate for ways to improve conditions > for animals. People like Derek who claim to believe in > or that they are in accordance with extreme AR theory > are delusional. I know that was not what you wanted to > hear, but it's the answer. Actually, I agree with everything from "The world is..." to "...are delusional." |