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From: Kumar on 9 Apr 2008 23:50 Hello, It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be mistaken. As such, will you tell:- How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them? Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated? Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated. Best wishes.
From: Dan on 10 Apr 2008 08:37 on 4/9/08 10:50 PM Kumar said the following: > Hello, > > It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not > be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also > aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer > cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be > mistaken. > > As such, will you tell:- > > How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells > are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them? > > Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is > cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated? > > Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of > other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during > various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated. > > Best wishes. > That is just it. The immune system does not want to make the mistake of killing the host. In the future we may be able to tweak the immune system to be more precise in its targeting including wayward human cells. In the distance we will have nano-bots traversing our body in search of cancerous cells, then killing them or reprogramming them. Also, cleaning the blood system etc.
From: Kumar on 10 Apr 2008 10:31 On Apr 10, 5:37 pm, Dan <dannom...(a)nospamstuff.org> wrote: > on 4/9/08 10:50 PM Kumar said the following: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not > > be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also > > aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer > > cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be > > mistaken. > > > As such, will you tell:- > > > How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells > > are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them? > > > Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is > > cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated? > > > Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of > > other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during > > various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated. > > > Best wishes. > > That is just it. The immune system does not want to make the mistake of > killing the host. In the future we may be able to tweak the immune > system to be more precise in its targeting including wayward human > cells. In the distance we will have nano-bots traversing our body in > search of cancerous cells, then killing them or reprogramming them. > Also, cleaning the blood system etc.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Do you want to tell that immune system don't recognize cancer cells as odd cells & so immune system is not followed? If we study following link which indicates that iron withholding do occur on neoplasm. http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol5no3/weinberg.htm In view of this, how can we think that immune defence is not recognizing cancer cells & not doing anything for cure? I am taliking here at the movement immunotherapy our outer aid to enhance immune defence. But still, when we think about immunotherapy, it can be obious that immune system should be recognizing & handling these, though weakly.
From: Dan on 10 Apr 2008 21:56 on 4/10/08 9:31 AM Kumar said the following: > On Apr 10, 5:37 pm, Dan <dannom...(a)nospamstuff.org> wrote: >> on 4/9/08 10:50 PM Kumar said the following: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hello, >>> It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not >>> be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also >>> aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer >>> cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be >>> mistaken. >>> As such, will you tell:- >>> How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells >>> are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them? >>> Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is >>> cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated? >>> Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of >>> other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during >>> various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated. >>> Best wishes. >> That is just it. The immune system does not want to make the mistake of >> killing the host. In the future we may be able to tweak the immune >> system to be more precise in its targeting including wayward human >> cells. In the distance we will have nano-bots traversing our body in >> search of cancerous cells, then killing them or reprogramming them. >> Also, cleaning the blood system etc.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Do you want to tell that immune system don't recognize cancer cells as > odd cells & so immune system is not followed? > > If we study following link which indicates that iron withholding do > occur on neoplasm. > http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol5no3/weinberg.htm > > In view of this, how can we think that immune defence is not > recognizing cancer cells & not doing anything for cure? I am taliking > here at the movement immunotherapy our outer aid to enhance immune > defence. But still, when we think about immunotherapy, it can be > obious that immune system should be recognizing & handling these, > though weakly. I am not saying no part of the immune system recognizes wayward cells. But I see much more promise going the epigenetic route for applicable cancers and using nano tech to deliver anti-cancer drugs more precisely. But all avenues of research are good and may we have a good toolkit in the coming years at reasonable cost to knock most cancers out.
From: Kelley Eidem on 10 Apr 2008 22:43
On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > It can be bit odd to think, that our defence immune response may not > be doing anything hard to cure cancer. Cancer immunotherapies are also > aimed by aiding to increasing immune response. However, as cancer > cells comes from our own cells, immune response can miss or be > mistaken. > > As such, will you tell:- > > How & when host immune defence is able to recognize that cancer cells > are being odd cells to body & start defence response against them? > > Whether cancerous tumor or cancer's dormant/non-metastatic state is > cancer cells mediated or immune defence response mediated? > > Some indications are there that withholding of iron and may be of > other nutrients to cancer cells and other pathogens occur during > various states. So this should be immune defence response mediated. > > Best wishes. Immune system defense is helpful when the patient makes the mistake of getting chemo, since chemo is destructive to the immune system and frequently kills the patient. Immune defense is not very helpful against cancer cells, although many herbs have both pro-immune and anti-cancer properties. The best to you. Kelley |