How About A Side Of Hypocrisy
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From: Dutch on 9 Aug 2008 16:37 SystemX wrote: > Dutch wrote: >> SystemX wrote: >>> Dutch wrote: >>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>> Dutch wrote: >>>>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Vegans do consume dairy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Even by their own lax standards, vegans cannot consume dairy and >>>>>> still legitimately call themselves vegans. >>>>> >>>>> I mad e a mistook. - A bad one - I missed the important word 'not'. >>>>> I guess you worked that out for yourself, but hey, why not score a >>>>> point. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> BTW - I'm self identifying myself as God. >>>>>> >>>>>> That was redundant. >>>>> >>>>> Just making a point that; self identification is not reliable >>>>> identification: >>>> >>>> You mean you don't identify yourself as God? >>> >>> Including animals? >> >> All things, flowers, animals. >> >>>> You ought to, we are all God. >>> >>> I don't believe in God. I seem to hover between being an agnostic and >>> an atheist. >> >> I don't "believe in God" in the conventional sense either, but, how to >> put it.. there is a powerful force in the universe intelligent beyond >> all comprehension constantly manifesting itself in a multitude of >> ways, the most advanced of these being the self-aware human being. >> That force is living in each of us, it is in a very basic sense "who >> we are". I believe this is what is behind the spiritual teachings and >> the original meaning of God. > > Stop dreaming. > > We are nothing but animals on a planet. > That's a pretty blas� perspective. Whatever floats your boat though..
From: Dutch on 9 Aug 2008 16:45 SystemX wrote: > Dutch wrote: >> SystemX wrote: >>> SystemX wrote: >>>> Dutch wrote: >>>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>>> Dutch wrote: >>>>>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vegans do consume dairy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Even by their own lax standards, vegans cannot consume dairy and >>>>>>> still legitimately call themselves vegans. >>>>>> >>>>>> I mad e a mistook. - A bad one - I missed the important word >>>>>> 'not'. I guess you worked that out for yourself, but hey, why not >>>>>> score a point. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BTW - I'm self identifying myself as God. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That was redundant. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just making a point that; self identification is not reliable >>>>>> identification: >>>>> >>>>> You mean you don't identify yourself as God? >>>> >>>> Including animals? >>> >>> This is related to your statement about "we are all God". >> >> I figured that. Every plant, animal, even things that seem inert to us >> are manifestations of a universal force. A rock is 99% empty space, >> the other 1% is comprised of spinning particles, miniature galaxies. >> Its apparent solid form is simply a limitation of our powers of >> perception. >> > > Perhaps your understanding of animals is limited by your power of > perception. Of course, we only know the world through the filters of our perception. How could it be otherwise? > > I get the feeling you're confused, perhaps indoctrinated. Ahh, out come the daggers, I must have hit a nerve. Perhaps your "self-indoctrination" as an agnostic-atheist is causing internal distress? > > > >> >>> >>>> >>>>> You ought to, we are all God. >>>> >>>> I don't believe in God. I seem to hover between being an agnostic >>>> and an atheist. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Rudy: "- described most definitely is a "vegan": she >>>>>> self-identified as one. " >>>>>
From: SystemX on 9 Aug 2008 17:52 Dutch wrote: > SystemX wrote: >> Dutch wrote: >>> SystemX wrote: >>>> Dutch wrote: >>>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>>> Dutch wrote: >>>>>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vegans do consume dairy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Even by their own lax standards, vegans cannot consume dairy and >>>>>>> still legitimately call themselves vegans. >>>>>> >>>>>> I mad e a mistook. - A bad one - I missed the important word >>>>>> 'not'. I guess you worked that out for yourself, but hey, why not >>>>>> score a point. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BTW - I'm self identifying myself as God. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That was redundant. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just making a point that; self identification is not reliable >>>>>> identification: >>>>> >>>>> You mean you don't identify yourself as God? >>>> >>>> Including animals? >>> >>> All things, flowers, animals. >>> >>>>> You ought to, we are all God. >>>> >>>> I don't believe in God. I seem to hover between being an agnostic >>>> and an atheist. >>> >>> I don't "believe in God" in the conventional sense either, but, how >>> to put it.. there is a powerful force in the universe intelligent >>> beyond all comprehension constantly manifesting itself in a multitude >>> of ways, the most advanced of these being the self-aware human being. >>> That force is living in each of us, it is in a very basic sense "who >>> we are". I believe this is what is behind the spiritual teachings and >>> the original meaning of God. >> >> Stop dreaming. >> >> We are nothing but animals on a planet. >> > > That's a pretty blas� perspective. Whatever floats your boat though.. Nothing blas� about fact.
From: SystemX on 9 Aug 2008 17:56 Dutch wrote: > SystemX wrote: >> Dutch wrote: >>> SystemX wrote: >>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>> Dutch wrote: >>>>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>>>> Dutch wrote: >>>>>>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vegans do consume dairy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Even by their own lax standards, vegans cannot consume dairy and >>>>>>>> still legitimately call themselves vegans. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I mad e a mistook. - A bad one - I missed the important word >>>>>>> 'not'. I guess you worked that out for yourself, but hey, why not >>>>>>> score a point. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> BTW - I'm self identifying myself as God. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That was redundant. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just making a point that; self identification is not reliable >>>>>>> identification: >>>>>> >>>>>> You mean you don't identify yourself as God? >>>>> >>>>> Including animals? >>>> >>>> This is related to your statement about "we are all God". >>> >>> I figured that. Every plant, animal, even things that seem inert to >>> us are manifestations of a universal force. A rock is 99% empty >>> space, the other 1% is comprised of spinning particles, miniature >>> galaxies. Its apparent solid form is simply a limitation of our >>> powers of perception. >>> >> >> Perhaps your understanding of animals is limited by your power of >> perception. > > Of course, we only know the world through the filters of our perception. > How could it be otherwise? > >> >> I get the feeling you're confused, perhaps indoctrinated. > > Ahh, out come the daggers, I must have hit a nerve. No. You seem confused, and seem to be balancing a view between their being a God and not. > > Perhaps your "self-indoctrination" as an agnostic-atheist is causing > internal distress? Not really. I'm quite happy with my view. I'm not sitting on a fence. > > >> >> >> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> You ought to, we are all God. >>>>> >>>>> I don't believe in God. I seem to hover between being an agnostic >>>>> and an atheist. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rudy: "- described most definitely is a "vegan": she >>>>>>> self-identified as one. " >>>>>>
From: SystemX on 9 Aug 2008 18:08
Dutch wrote: > SystemX wrote: >> Dutch wrote: >>> Rudy Canoza wrote: >>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>>> Dutch wrote: >>>>>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>>>>> Dutch wrote: >>>>>>>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Vegans do consume dairy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Even by their own lax standards, vegans cannot consume dairy >>>>>>>>> and still legitimately call themselves vegans. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I mad e a mistook. - A bad one - I missed the important word >>>>>>>> 'not'. I guess you worked that out for yourself, but hey, why >>>>>>>> not score a point. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> BTW - I'm self identifying myself as God. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That was redundant. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just making a point that; self identification is not reliable >>>>>>>> identification: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You mean you don't identify yourself as God? >>>>>> >>>>>> Including animals? >>>>> >>>>> This is related to your statement about "we are all God". >>>> >>>> I think it was clear Dutch was restricting "we" to humans. >>> >>> In the way I used the term I meant everything, not only humans, not >>> only animals and plants, everything. >>> >>> In this sense God is the organizing force in all matter and life, >>> humans being the most ambitious manifestation of that force. >> >> There is no 'force'. > > No force? That is hardly a plausible response. At the very least there > are many forces operating independently. There's a force in you that > gets you up in the morning. No; there is no 'organising force'. There is no 'force' that gets me up in the morning. (Apart from the PHYSICAL one that changes a body from a state of rest to one of motion). > >> It is entirely evolutionary. > > What is "it"? "life" >I didn't say anything about development of species. > Question, why does life bother to occur? It doesn't 'bother' it just occurs. >Why does lichen live on high > mountain ridges where it is -100 degrees with almost no air? Why do > animals struggle to live in Antarctic winter? Why do flowers bloom? Try Wikipedia. > Seems like a lot of trouble just to die a short time later. What is > driving all this frenetic activity? Seems to me like there is some kind > of driving force. You are mistaken, possibly misled by those around you. > > |