How About A Side Of Hypocrisy
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From: Dutch on 8 Aug 2008 15:27 Rudy Canoza wrote: > SystemX wrote: >> SystemX wrote: >>> Dutch wrote: >>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>> Dutch wrote: >>>>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Vegans do consume dairy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Even by their own lax standards, vegans cannot consume dairy and >>>>>> still legitimately call themselves vegans. >>>>> >>>>> I mad e a mistook. - A bad one - I missed the important word 'not'. >>>>> I guess you worked that out for yourself, but hey, why not score a >>>>> point. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> BTW - I'm self identifying myself as God. >>>>>> >>>>>> That was redundant. >>>>> >>>>> Just making a point that; self identification is not reliable >>>>> identification: >>>> >>>> You mean you don't identify yourself as God? >>> >>> Including animals? >> >> This is related to your statement about "we are all God". > > I think it was clear Dutch was restricting "we" to humans. In the way I used the term I meant everything, not only humans, not only animals and plants, everything. In this sense God is the organizing force in all matter and life, humans being the most ambitious manifestation of that force. > >> >>> >>>> You ought to, we are all God. >>> >>> I don't believe in God. I seem to hover between being an agnostic and >>> an atheist. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rudy: "- described most definitely is a "vegan": she >>>>> self-identified as one. " >>>>
From: SystemX on 8 Aug 2008 20:59 Dutch wrote: > Rudy Canoza wrote: >> SystemX wrote: >>> SystemX wrote: >>>> Dutch wrote: >>>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>>> Dutch wrote: >>>>>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vegans do consume dairy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Even by their own lax standards, vegans cannot consume dairy and >>>>>>> still legitimately call themselves vegans. >>>>>> >>>>>> I mad e a mistook. - A bad one - I missed the important word >>>>>> 'not'. I guess you worked that out for yourself, but hey, why not >>>>>> score a point. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BTW - I'm self identifying myself as God. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That was redundant. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just making a point that; self identification is not reliable >>>>>> identification: >>>>> >>>>> You mean you don't identify yourself as God? >>>> >>>> Including animals? >>> >>> This is related to your statement about "we are all God". >> >> I think it was clear Dutch was restricting "we" to humans. > > In the way I used the term I meant everything, not only humans, not only > animals and plants, everything. > > In this sense God is the organizing force in all matter and life, humans > being the most ambitious manifestation of that force. There is no 'force'. It is entirely evolutionary. > > >> >>> >>>> >>>>> You ought to, we are all God. >>>> >>>> I don't believe in God. I seem to hover between being an agnostic >>>> and an atheist. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Rudy: "- described most definitely is a "vegan": she >>>>>> self-identified as one. " >>>>>
From: SystemX on 8 Aug 2008 21:00 Dutch wrote: > SystemX wrote: >> Dutch wrote: >>> SystemX wrote: >>>> Dutch wrote: >>>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Vegans do consume dairy. >>>>> >>>>> Even by their own lax standards, vegans cannot consume dairy and >>>>> still legitimately call themselves vegans. >>>> >>>> I mad e a mistook. - A bad one - I missed the important word 'not'. >>>> I guess you worked that out for yourself, but hey, why not score a >>>> point. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> BTW - I'm self identifying myself as God. >>>>> >>>>> That was redundant. >>>> >>>> Just making a point that; self identification is not reliable >>>> identification: >>> >>> You mean you don't identify yourself as God? >> >> Including animals? > > All things, flowers, animals. > >>> You ought to, we are all God. >> >> I don't believe in God. I seem to hover between being an agnostic and >> an atheist. > > I don't "believe in God" in the conventional sense either, but, how to > put it.. there is a powerful force in the universe intelligent beyond > all comprehension constantly manifesting itself in a multitude of ways, > the most advanced of these being the self-aware human being. That force > is living in each of us, it is in a very basic sense "who we are". I > believe this is what is behind the spiritual teachings and the original > meaning of God. Stop dreaming. We are nothing but animals on a planet. >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Rudy: "- described most definitely is a "vegan": she >>>> self-identified as one. " >>>
From: SystemX on 8 Aug 2008 21:14 Dutch wrote: > SystemX wrote: >> SystemX wrote: >>> Dutch wrote: >>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>> Dutch wrote: >>>>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Vegans do consume dairy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Even by their own lax standards, vegans cannot consume dairy and >>>>>> still legitimately call themselves vegans. >>>>> >>>>> I mad e a mistook. - A bad one - I missed the important word 'not'. >>>>> I guess you worked that out for yourself, but hey, why not score a >>>>> point. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> BTW - I'm self identifying myself as God. >>>>>> >>>>>> That was redundant. >>>>> >>>>> Just making a point that; self identification is not reliable >>>>> identification: >>>> >>>> You mean you don't identify yourself as God? >>> >>> Including animals? >> >> This is related to your statement about "we are all God". > > I figured that. Every plant, animal, even things that seem inert to us > are manifestations of a universal force. A rock is 99% empty space, the > other 1% is comprised of spinning particles, miniature galaxies. Its > apparent solid form is simply a limitation of our powers of perception. > Perhaps your understanding of animals is limited by your power of perception. I get the feeling you're confused, perhaps indoctrinated. > >> >>> >>>> You ought to, we are all God. >>> >>> I don't believe in God. I seem to hover between being an agnostic and >>> an atheist. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rudy: "- described most definitely is a "vegan": she >>>>> self-identified as one. " >>>>
From: Dutch on 9 Aug 2008 16:33
SystemX wrote: > Dutch wrote: >> Rudy Canoza wrote: >>> SystemX wrote: >>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>> Dutch wrote: >>>>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>>>> Dutch wrote: >>>>>>>> SystemX wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vegans do consume dairy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Even by their own lax standards, vegans cannot consume dairy and >>>>>>>> still legitimately call themselves vegans. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I mad e a mistook. - A bad one - I missed the important word >>>>>>> 'not'. I guess you worked that out for yourself, but hey, why not >>>>>>> score a point. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> BTW - I'm self identifying myself as God. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That was redundant. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just making a point that; self identification is not reliable >>>>>>> identification: >>>>>> >>>>>> You mean you don't identify yourself as God? >>>>> >>>>> Including animals? >>>> >>>> This is related to your statement about "we are all God". >>> >>> I think it was clear Dutch was restricting "we" to humans. >> >> In the way I used the term I meant everything, not only humans, not >> only animals and plants, everything. >> >> In this sense God is the organizing force in all matter and life, >> humans being the most ambitious manifestation of that force. > > There is no 'force'. No force? That is hardly a plausible response. At the very least there are many forces operating independently. There's a force in you that gets you up in the morning. > It is entirely evolutionary. What is "it"? I didn't say anything about development of species. Question, why does life bother to occur? Why does lichen live on high mountain ridges where it is -100 degrees with almost no air? Why do animals struggle to live in Antarctic winter? Why do flowers bloom? Seems like a lot of trouble just to die a short time later. What is driving all this frenetic activity? Seems to me like there is some kind of driving force. |