From: ahmeru on

Rouz wrote:
> Tim Campbell wrote:
> > High Cholesterol: Red Yeast Rice is Better, Safer, and Cheaper
> >
> >. . .(extremely dishonest post snipped). . .
> >
> > Their "grounds" for suing? Red yeast rice extract contains a natural
> > form of lovastatin , the same active ingredient found in patented
> > Mevacor, one of the major cholesterol drugs...
> >
> >
> >. . .(extremely dishonest post snipped). . .
> >
> > And with one stroke of the gavel, makers of safe, natural,
> > un-patent-able red yeast rice extract suddenly found themselves in
> > violation of Federal law.
> >
> >. . .(extremely dishonest post snipped). . .
>
> Lovastatin is an extremely powerful and useful drug. It extends life
> for many users.
>
> However, like many powerful drugs it will cause dangerous side effects
> in a small portion of users.
>
> Since Red Yeast Rice extract contains Lovastatin, it must be assumed
> that Red Yeast Rice extract will cause the same dangerous side effects
> as Lovastatin in some small portion of users, especially since the
> Lovastatin content in the extract is neither controlled or monitored.
>
> Therefore, drugs such as Lovastatin or Red Yeast Rice extract must be
> taken by knowledgeable persons, or under the supervision of
> knowledgeable persons. Most non-medical users are not sufficiently
> knowledgeable. Therefore, we restrict such drugs to dispensation
> via prescription and regulate the manufacturers stringently.
>
> -Rouz

In the land of LIFE, LIBERTY, and Happiness . . . what business does
the "guvament"
have to control what decisions bonafide citizens take in using natural
substances to modify their health status. People don't know but people
should know about CODEX.

I quote:

"

The Codex Alimentarius Commission (Codex) will come to be seen by
future generations as the greatest threat to the basic human right of
health the world has ever known. Never before in history has a special
interest group, the pharmaceutical industry, so shamelessly tried to
compromise the health of billions of people for no other reason than
its desire to maintain multi-billion dollar markets for prescription
drugs.
What is Codex?

Codex was established under the heavy influence of the pharmaceutical
industry in 1963, following resolutions passed at the Eleventh Session
of the Conference of the Food and Agriculture Organization of the
United Nations in 1961 and at the Sixteenth World Health Assembly in
1963, as a standard setting body for global food regulations. From its
very beginnings, Codex has been manipulated by corporate interests in
the global pharmaceutical and food markets."

This act to intervene in the use of a substance natural occuring,
primarily, because it is not patentable by the pharmaceutical industry
is simply in concert with what the industry and it's cohorts in the FDA
have been planning for a long time.

Once such control becomes "International Law", and when our sovereignty
as a nation is compromised it will be too late. When governments can
decide what an individual can and cannot ingest . . all bets on
"freedom" as we know it . . . are off the books.

We are already dangerously there.

The contention here is this> Most Drugs, actually derive from nature
in one fashion or another. We should always, under "the inalienable
rights" understood in our US Constitution, have the right to access the
"pharmacy created by God in nature" to administer to our own health
care needs.

Many substances found in nature are already adaptogenic to the human
condition. Why? (Seriously)

Virtually ALL:drugs created by pharmaceutical industries have serious
and even life threatenening effects if over dosed. Why?


Al Franusiszin

From: vernon on

"T" <tpallTRASH(a)THISrealtime.SPAMnet> wrote in message
news:e9gao302fq9(a)enews2.newsguy.com...
>
> "vernon" <there(a)there> wrote in message
> news:44bab430$0$10282$88260bb3(a)news-taz.teranews.com...
>
>>
>> It is natural and NOT a concocted chemical whith "similar" attributes.
>> It has been proven effective.
>
> I love the IT IS NATURAL AND THEREFORE SAFE argument.

So you love it. So you imagine someone said that.
So you are one sick dude.
AND
STUPID

Red Yeast RIce has been PROVEN safe, at least safer than prescription drugs
(by DEFINITION not safe)
>
> Shall we go picking mushrooms in the woods? Or perhaps find some berries?
> Maybe embibe on Plato's once in a lifetime beverage: Hemlock. Yeah.
> It's
> natural.
>
> The mold on my bread is natural, and mold is what many medicines are
> derived
> from. Shall I henceforth eat all of my sandwiches made with moldy bread?
>
>


From: vernon on

"Jason Johnson" <jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1707061022370001(a)66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...
> In article <44bb92dc$0$14268$88260bb3(a)news-taz.teranews.com>, "vernon"
> <there(a)there> wrote:
>
> "Robert W. McAdams" <rwm(a)fambright.com> wrote in message
> news:44B9CE5F.2070603(a)fambright.com...
> > David wrote:
> >> Dr. Zarkov wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>The government has no ethical right to dictate what we can and cannot
> >>>put into our own bodies in any case.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Maybe in principle.............*if* everyone had the necessary amount
> >> of medical knowledge for making intelligent decisions about what they
> >> put in their bodies. But in practice, there are a lot of gullible and
> >> medically uneducated people out there who *need* to be protected from
> >> certain products which may have dangerous side effects which are not
> >> mentioned in marketing claims (at least the TV commercials for
> >> pharmaceuticals have to list the most common and/or dangerous adverse
> >> effects!!!). People without a medical or science degree don't deserve
> >> to be harmed just because they don't have such an education.
> >
> > I agree. But the question is why this protection couldn't be achieved
> > simply by requiring such products to carry a prominent warning whose
> > text
> > would be written by the FDA. Are the potential side effects of the
> > lovastatin in red yeast rice really more serious than those of the
> > tobacco
> > in cigarettes (which are sold with a warning label).
> >
> >
> > Bob
> >
>
> Missing the point that "natural" (not chemical equivalents) statins in Red
> Yeast Rice are NOT dangerous except when taken in HUGE HUGE amounts, while
> at the same time being just as effective in cholesterol control.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Hello,
> I would agree that Red Yeast Rice is safer than statins. However, there
> are some risks for at least some patients. For example, if a patient had
> to stop taking statins because their creatinine level rose from 1.1 MG/DL
> to 6.7 MG/DL--that patient should NOT take Red Yeast Rice. Do you see my
> point?
> Jason
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Yes.

Every one is different.
KILLERS

Peanuts
soy
milk products
wheat products

The point is that prescription statins are proven unsafe for almost all
people and thus controlled.


From: PeterB on

vernon wrote:
> "T" <tpallTRASH(a)THISrealtime.SPAMnet> wrote in message
> news:e9gao302fq9(a)enews2.newsguy.com...
> >
> > "vernon" <there(a)there> wrote in message
> > news:44bab430$0$10282$88260bb3(a)news-taz.teranews.com...
> >
> >>
> >> It is natural and NOT a concocted chemical whith "similar" attributes.
> >> It has been proven effective.
> >
> > I love the IT IS NATURAL AND THEREFORE SAFE argument.
>
> So you love it. So you imagine someone said that.
> So you are one sick dude.
> AND
> STUPID
>
> Red Yeast RIce has been PROVEN safe, at least safer than prescription drugs
> (by DEFINITION not safe)

Don't expect him to respond intelligently to your point about the
*relative* differences.

> > Shall we go picking mushrooms in the woods? Or perhaps find some berries?
> > Maybe embibe on Plato's once in a lifetime beverage: Hemlock. Yeah.
> > It's
> > natural.
> >
> > The mold on my bread is natural, and mold is what many medicines are
> > derived
> > from. Shall I henceforth eat all of my sandwiches made with moldy bread?
> >
> >

From: vernon on

"David" <david.sprouse(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153177050.044273.276340(a)b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> vernon wrote:
>
>> Missing the point that "natural" (not chemical equivalents) statins in
>> Red
>> Yeast Rice are NOT dangerous except when taken in HUGE HUGE amounts,
>> while
>> at the same time being just as effective in cholesterol control.
>
>
> Repeating the above statement over and over again until you're blue in
> the face doesn't make it true.
>

It was proven and that is the reason that even though it was restricted for
a while, the FDA saw enough PROOF, that they released it from control and
left all others under control.