From: vernon on

<backon(a)vms.huji.ac.il> wrote in message news:2006Jul16.201916(a)hujicc...
> In article <1153060898.891027.298140(a)b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "David" <david.sprouse(a)gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> Robert W. McAdams wrote:
>>> Are the potential side effects of the
>>> lovastatin in red yeast rice really more serious than those of the
>>> tobacco in cigarettes (which are sold with a warning label)?
>>
>>
>> Potentially yes, albeit rarely. Rhabdomyolysis is an acute and
>> life-threatening side effect of statin compounds. I don't know if
>> there are any documented cases of it in persons taking red yeast rice,
>> but it's certainly possible and should be investigated thoroughly. A
>> prominent warning label would be a good start, at the very least.
>
>
> L-carnitine has been found to prevent the statin-induced myopathy.
> See: Improvement of statin-associated myotoxicity by L-carnitine.
> J Thromb Haemost. 2004 Dec;2(12):2270-1
>
> Josh
>
>
>>

Yes, helps prevent. Real or fake statins REQUIRE CoQ10


From: vernon on

"David" <david.sprouse(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> backon(a)vms.huji.ac.il wrote:
>
>> L-carnitine has been found to prevent the statin-induced myopathy.
>> See: Improvement of statin-associated myotoxicity by L-carnitine.
>> J Thromb Haemost. 2004 Dec;2(12):2270-1
>>
>> Josh
>
>
> This is a "Letter" to that journal, without even an abstract. We don't
> even know if the authors' research was done in a test tube, animals, or
> human subjects. Even if it were in human subjects, it's still a long
> way from assuming that L-carnitine would fully protect a person from
> the myotoxicity. The evidence for Coenzyme Q10 myoprotection is
> stronger, from what I've seen, but still not conclusive.
>

Statins reduce CoQ10.
a good level of CoQ10 is required for heart and brain.

These have been proven over and over.


From: ahmeru on

Dr. Zarkov wrote:
> Tim Campbell wrote:
> >
> > High Cholesterol: Red Yeast Rice is Better, Safer, and Cheaper
> > Dr. Wright sounds off on Red Yeast Rice
> >
> > The drug giants knew they'd be in trouble if word got out about red
> > yeast rice...
> >
> > Not only did studies show that this ancient Asian edible slashed
> > cholesterol an average of 40 points in just 3 months, it did so
> > without any side effects whatsoever. What's more, it was growing more
> > and more widely available, for far less money than statin drugs - and
> > without the need for a prescription...
> >
> > So what did those fat-cat drug executives do? They went to court...
> >
> > Their "grounds" for suing? Red yeast rice extract contains a natural
> > form of lovastatin , the same active ingredient found in patented
> > Mevacor, one of the major cholesterol drugs...
> >
> > The first time the drug companies took red yeast rice makers to court,
> > however, the judge quite rightly threw the case out . But the
> > pharmaceutical industry's deep pockets ensured that they'd be able to
> > press the case until they got what they wanted. After appealing, they
> > got their verdict...
> >
> > And with one stroke of the gavel, makers of safe, natural,
> > un-patent-able red yeast rice extract suddenly found themselves in
> > violation of Federal law.
> >
> > When the decision was handed down, the FDA was waiting in the wings.
> > As though on command from the patent-drug cartel, they quickly banned
> > red yeast rice extract from stores, mail-order sellers and all other
> > sources - before its makers could regroup and file an appeal or suit
> > of their own.
> >
> > http://jeffsutherland.com/complementary/
>
>
> The government has no ethical right to dictate what we can and cannot
> put into our own bodies in any case.

From: vernon on

<soowhatdouthink(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Rouz wrote:
>>Since Red Yeast Rice extract contains Lovastatin, it must be assumed
>> that Red Yeast Rice extract will cause the same dangerous side effects
>> as Lovastatin in some small portion of users, especially since the
>> Lovastatin content in the extract is neither controlled or monitored.
>
> And in addition Rouz, red yeast like many others so-called
> "botanicals", has other chemicals of which no one knows what they do.
> So... botanicals shmotanicals- much isn't known about them.
>

They are "natural"

Chemically made lovistatin is NOT.

Chemically made Lovistatin has been proven to have deleterious side effect.
THAT is why it is "CONTROLLED"
Thus far, with equal testing, red yeast rice has not shown that negative
(dangerous) side effect.


From: vernon on

"Jason Johnson" <jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <1153076566.957902.9950(a)s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> soowhatdouthink(a)hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Rouz wrote:
> >Since Red Yeast Rice extract contains Lovastatin, it must be assumed
> > that Red Yeast Rice extract will cause the same dangerous side effects
> > as Lovastatin in some small portion of users, especially since the
> > Lovastatin content in the extract is neither controlled or monitored.
>
> And in addition Rouz, red yeast like many others so-called
> "botanicals", has other chemicals of which no one knows what they do.
> So... botanicals shmotanicals- much isn't known about them.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Hello,
> That's true but in most cases, the vit., minerals and herbs purchased at
> health food stores are much less dangerous than prescription medications.

By definition and government stated dangers.


> 31 deaths were caused by Baycol (a statin). I don't recall how many deaths
> have been linked to Vioxx. I have a copy of "The Pill Book" and was amazed
> at the dangerous side effects of many of the blood pressure medications.
> Only God knows how many people have died as a result of the side effects
> of various prescription medications. Of course, prescription medications
> have also saved the lives of millions of people.
> Jason
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~