From: vernon on

"Rouz" <rouzblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Tim Campbell wrote:
>> High Cholesterol: Red Yeast Rice is Better, Safer, and Cheaper
>>
>>. . .(extremely dishonest post snipped). . .
>>
>> Their "grounds" for suing? Red yeast rice extract contains a natural
>> form of lovastatin , the same active ingredient found in patented
>> Mevacor, one of the major cholesterol drugs...
>>
>>
>>. . .(extremely dishonest post snipped). . .
>>
>> And with one stroke of the gavel, makers of safe, natural,
>> un-patent-able red yeast rice extract suddenly found themselves in
>> violation of Federal law.
>>
>>. . .(extremely dishonest post snipped). . .
>
> Lovastatin is an extremely powerful and useful drug. It extends life
> for many users.

NOT PROVEN IN THE LEAST.

>
> However, like many powerful drugs it will cause dangerous side effects
> in a small portion of users.
>
> Since Red Yeast Rice extract contains Lovastatin, it must be assumed
> that Red Yeast Rice extract will cause the same dangerous side effects
> as Lovastatin in some small portion of users, especially since the
> Lovastatin content in the extract is neither controlled or monitored.

It is natural and NOT a concocted chemical whith "similar" attributes.
It has been proven effective.
It has been proven relatively SAFE (no known side effects) (that's why it
isn't prescription.)

>
> Therefore, drugs such as Lovastatin or Red Yeast Rice extract must be
> taken by knowledgeable persons, or under the supervision of
> knowledgeable persons. Most non-medical users are not sufficiently
> knowledgeable. Therefore, we restrict such drugs to dispensation
> via prescription and regulate the manufacturers stringently.
>
> -Rouz
>

Knowledgeable persons would exclude you.


From: vernon on

"Dr. Zarkov" <Ming(a)Mongo.com> wrote in message
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> Tim Campbell wrote:
>>
>> High Cholesterol: Red Yeast Rice is Better, Safer, and Cheaper
>> Dr. Wright sounds off on Red Yeast Rice
>>
>> The drug giants knew they'd be in trouble if word got out about red
>> yeast rice...
>>
>> Not only did studies show that this ancient Asian edible slashed
>> cholesterol an average of 40 points in just 3 months, it did so
>> without any side effects whatsoever. What's more, it was growing more
>> and more widely available, for far less money than statin drugs - and
>> without the need for a prescription...
>>
>> So what did those fat-cat drug executives do? They went to court...
>>
>> Their "grounds" for suing? Red yeast rice extract contains a natural
>> form of lovastatin , the same active ingredient found in patented
>> Mevacor, one of the major cholesterol drugs...
>>
>> The first time the drug companies took red yeast rice makers to court,
>> however, the judge quite rightly threw the case out . But the
>> pharmaceutical industry's deep pockets ensured that they'd be able to
>> press the case until they got what they wanted. After appealing, they
>> got their verdict...
>>
>> And with one stroke of the gavel, makers of safe, natural,
>> un-patent-able red yeast rice extract suddenly found themselves in
>> violation of Federal law.
>>
>> When the decision was handed down, the FDA was waiting in the wings.
>> As though on command from the patent-drug cartel, they quickly banned
>> red yeast rice extract from stores, mail-order sellers and all other
>> sources - before its makers could regroup and file an appeal or suit
>> of their own.
>>
>> http://jeffsutherland.com/complementary/
>
>
> The government has no ethical right to dictate what we can and cannot put
> into our own bodies in any case.

VERY true.


From: vernon on

"David" <david.sprouse(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Dr. Zarkov wrote:
>
>> The government has no ethical right to dictate what we can and cannot
>> put into our own bodies in any case.
>
>
> Maybe in principle.............*if* everyone had the necessary amount
> of medical knowledge for making intelligent decisions about what they
> put in their bodies. But in practice, there are a lot of gullible and
> medically uneducated people out there who *need* to be protected from
> certain products which may have dangerous side effects which are not
> mentioned in marketing claims (at least the TV commercials for
> pharmaceuticals have to list the most common and/or dangerous adverse
> effects!!!). People without a medical or science degree don't deserve
> to be harmed just because they don't have such an education.
>

So the "government" licenses drug companies to con people and Doctors into
the use of dangerous drugs, called prescription, while at the same time
insidiously rejecting safe solutions.

People without a medical or science degree actually believe the idiocy of
undereducated Doctors, the bought government and Pharms.


From: vernon on

"Robert W. McAdams" <rwm(a)fambright.com> wrote in message
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> David wrote:
>> Dr. Zarkov wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The government has no ethical right to dictate what we can and cannot
>>>put into our own bodies in any case.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe in principle.............*if* everyone had the necessary amount
>> of medical knowledge for making intelligent decisions about what they
>> put in their bodies. But in practice, there are a lot of gullible and
>> medically uneducated people out there who *need* to be protected from
>> certain products which may have dangerous side effects which are not
>> mentioned in marketing claims (at least the TV commercials for
>> pharmaceuticals have to list the most common and/or dangerous adverse
>> effects!!!). People without a medical or science degree don't deserve
>> to be harmed just because they don't have such an education.
>
> I agree. But the question is why this protection couldn't be achieved
> simply by requiring such products to carry a prominent warning whose text
> would be written by the FDA. Are the potential side effects of the
> lovastatin in red yeast rice really more serious than those of the tobacco
> in cigarettes (which are sold with a warning label).
>
>
> Bob
>

Missing the point that "natural" (not chemical equivalents) statins in Red
Yeast Rice are NOT dangerous except when taken in HUGE HUGE amounts, while
at the same time being just as effective in cholesterol control.


From: T on

"vernon" <there(a)there> wrote in message
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>
> It is natural and NOT a concocted chemical whith "similar" attributes.
> It has been proven effective.

I love the IT IS NATURAL AND THEREFORE SAFE argument.

Shall we go picking mushrooms in the woods? Or perhaps find some berries?
Maybe embibe on Plato's once in a lifetime beverage: Hemlock. Yeah. It's
natural.

The mold on my bread is natural, and mold is what many medicines are derived
from. Shall I henceforth eat all of my sandwiches made with moldy bread?