From: David Wright on
In article <1153753985.741984.49100(a)i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
PeterB <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
>David Wright wrote:
>> In article <44c0e4f6$0$4470$88260bb3(a)news.teranews.com>,
>> vernon <there(a)there> wrote:
>> >
>> >"David" <david.sprouse(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:1153350394.277558.171220(a)h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> >>
>> >> vernon wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Chemically made Lovistatin has been proven to have deleterious side
>> >>> effect.
>> >>> THAT is why it is "CONTROLLED"
>> >>> Thus far, with equal testing, red yeast rice has not shown that negative
>> >>> (dangerous) side effect.
>> >>
>> >>>From now on, please check your facts and do some research before
>> >> opening your mouth:
>> >>
>> >> J Am Geriatr Soc. 2006 Apr;54(4):718-20.
>> >> Chinese red rice depletes muscle coenzyme Q10 and maintains muscle
>> >> damage after discontinuation of statin treatment. PMID: 16686894
>> >
>> >Correct as do ALL statins.. Red yeast rice is not quite as bad. Almost any
>> >source of Red yeast rice will say to take CoQ10 with it. Some formulations
>> >will include CoQ10.
>> >
>> >A doctor OR the warning pamphlet for any chemical satin will NOT even
>> >mention such, even though it is much worse than Red Yeast rice for that
>> >attribute.
>> >
>> >Red Yeast Rice was taken off the danger list and Chemically created statins
>> >were not. Prescription means excess danger.
>>
>> Gee, and here first you were telling us that RYR was harmless, now
>> it's not, but prescription drugs are all "excess danger."
>>
>> Typical.
>
>What's typical is your aversion to the relative differences between
>drugs and non drugs.

The relative differences are comparing apples and bicycles. They
aren't simply interchangeable.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
From: David Wright on
In article <1154004273.070302.243420(a)b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
PeterB <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
>David Wright wrote:
>> In article <1153771951.383312.216980(a)b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>> PeterB <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >vernon wrote:
>> >> "David Wright" <wright(a)l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:BAXwg.71710$fb2.59030(a)newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>> >> > In article <44c0e4f6$0$4470$88260bb3(a)news.teranews.com>,
>> >> > vernon <there(a)there> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>"David" <david.sprouse(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>news:1153350394.277558.171220(a)h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> vernon wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> Chemically made Lovistatin has been proven to have deleterious side
>> >> >>>> effect.
>> >> >>>> THAT is why it is "CONTROLLED"
>> >> >>>> Thus far, with equal testing, red yeast rice has not shown that
>> >> >>>> negative
>> >> >>>> (dangerous) side effect.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>From now on, please check your facts and do some research before
>> >> >>> opening your mouth:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> J Am Geriatr Soc. 2006 Apr;54(4):718-20.
>> >> >>> Chinese red rice depletes muscle coenzyme Q10 and maintains muscle
>> >> >>> damage after discontinuation of statin treatment. PMID: 16686894
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Correct as do ALL statins.. Red yeast rice is not quite as bad. Almost
>> >> >>any
>> >> >>source of Red yeast rice will say to take CoQ10 with it. Some
>> >> >>formulations
>> >> >>will include CoQ10.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>A doctor OR the warning pamphlet for any chemical satin will NOT even
>> >> >>mention such, even though it is much worse than Red Yeast rice for that
>> >> >>attribute.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Red Yeast Rice was taken off the danger list and Chemically created
>> >> >>statins
>> >> >>were not. Prescription means excess danger.
>> >> >
>> >> > Gee, and here first you were telling us that RYR was harmless, now
>> >> > it's not, but prescription drugs are all "excess danger."
>> >> >
>> >> > Typical.
>> >>
>> >> Sufficiently "excessive" to warrant government control.
>> >> Of course the other argument is "Who gave the government the right to
>> >> control how we treat ourselves?".
>>
>> We did -- by electing the people who put those rules in place.
>
>David never noticed that FDA is a bureacracy, and that we don't elect
>those guys.

We elect the people who appoint them. Kindly avoid wilful stupidity,
assuming that to be within your limited capabilities.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth

From: PeterB on

David Wright wrote:
> In article <1154004273.070302.243420(a)b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> PeterB <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >David Wright wrote:
> >> In article <1153771951.383312.216980(a)b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> >> PeterB <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >vernon wrote:
> >> >> "David Wright" <wright(a)l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:BAXwg.71710$fb2.59030(a)newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
> >> >> > In article <44c0e4f6$0$4470$88260bb3(a)news.teranews.com>,
> >> >> > vernon <there(a)there> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>"David" <david.sprouse(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >>news:1153350394.277558.171220(a)h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> vernon wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> Chemically made Lovistatin has been proven to have deleterious side
> >> >> >>>> effect.
> >> >> >>>> THAT is why it is "CONTROLLED"
> >> >> >>>> Thus far, with equal testing, red yeast rice has not shown that
> >> >> >>>> negative
> >> >> >>>> (dangerous) side effect.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>From now on, please check your facts and do some research before
> >> >> >>> opening your mouth:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> J Am Geriatr Soc. 2006 Apr;54(4):718-20.
> >> >> >>> Chinese red rice depletes muscle coenzyme Q10 and maintains muscle
> >> >> >>> damage after discontinuation of statin treatment. PMID: 16686894
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Correct as do ALL statins.. Red yeast rice is not quite as bad. Almost
> >> >> >>any
> >> >> >>source of Red yeast rice will say to take CoQ10 with it. Some
> >> >> >>formulations
> >> >> >>will include CoQ10.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>A doctor OR the warning pamphlet for any chemical satin will NOT even
> >> >> >>mention such, even though it is much worse than Red Yeast rice for that
> >> >> >>attribute.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Red Yeast Rice was taken off the danger list and Chemically created
> >> >> >>statins
> >> >> >>were not. Prescription means excess danger.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Gee, and here first you were telling us that RYR was harmless, now
> >> >> > it's not, but prescription drugs are all "excess danger."
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Typical.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sufficiently "excessive" to warrant government control.
> >> >> Of course the other argument is "Who gave the government the right to
> >> >> control how we treat ourselves?".
> >>
> >> We did -- by electing the people who put those rules in place.
> >
> >David never noticed that FDA is a bureacracy, and that we don't elect
> >those guys.
>
> We elect the people who appoint them. Kindly avoid wilful stupidity,
> assuming that to be within your limited capabilities.

FDA has latitude to engage in its own rulemaking process, however. The
fact the agency is subject to congressional overview doesn't change
that, and people like David Graham do what they do because the process
is broken. But personal attack noted.

PeterB

From: Vernon on

"PeterB" <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154350214.675358.43430(a)m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> David Wright wrote:
>> In article <1154004273.070302.243420(a)b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>> PeterB <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >David Wright wrote:
>> >> In article <1153771951.383312.216980(a)b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> PeterB <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >vernon wrote:
>> >> >> "David Wright" <wright(a)l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:BAXwg.71710$fb2.59030(a)newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>> >> >> > In article <44c0e4f6$0$4470$88260bb3(a)news.teranews.com>,
>> >> >> > vernon <there(a)there> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>"David" <david.sprouse(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>news:1153350394.277558.171220(a)h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> vernon wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>> Chemically made Lovistatin has been proven to have deleterious
>> >> >> >>>> side
>> >> >> >>>> effect.
>> >> >> >>>> THAT is why it is "CONTROLLED"
>> >> >> >>>> Thus far, with equal testing, red yeast rice has not shown
>> >> >> >>>> that
>> >> >> >>>> negative
>> >> >> >>>> (dangerous) side effect.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>>From now on, please check your facts and do some research
>> >> >> >>>>before
>> >> >> >>> opening your mouth:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> J Am Geriatr Soc. 2006 Apr;54(4):718-20.
>> >> >> >>> Chinese red rice depletes muscle coenzyme Q10 and maintains
>> >> >> >>> muscle
>> >> >> >>> damage after discontinuation of statin treatment. PMID:
>> >> >> >>> 16686894
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Correct as do ALL statins.. Red yeast rice is not quite as bad.
>> >> >> >>Almost
>> >> >> >>any
>> >> >> >>source of Red yeast rice will say to take CoQ10 with it. Some
>> >> >> >>formulations
>> >> >> >>will include CoQ10.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>A doctor OR the warning pamphlet for any chemical satin will NOT
>> >> >> >>even
>> >> >> >>mention such, even though it is much worse than Red Yeast rice
>> >> >> >>for that
>> >> >> >>attribute.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Red Yeast Rice was taken off the danger list and Chemically
>> >> >> >>created
>> >> >> >>statins
>> >> >> >>were not. Prescription means excess danger.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Gee, and here first you were telling us that RYR was harmless,
>> >> >> > now
>> >> >> > it's not, but prescription drugs are all "excess danger."
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Typical.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sufficiently "excessive" to warrant government control.
>> >> >> Of course the other argument is "Who gave the government the right
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> control how we treat ourselves?".
>> >>
>> >> We did -- by electing the people who put those rules in place.
>> >
>> >David never noticed that FDA is a bureacracy, and that we don't elect
>> >those guys.
>>
>> We elect the people who appoint them. Kindly avoid wilful stupidity,
>> assuming that to be within your limited capabilities.
>
> FDA has latitude to engage in its own rulemaking process, however. The
> fact the agency is subject to congressional overview doesn't change
> that, and people like David Graham do what they do because the process
> is broken. But personal attack noted.
>
> PeterB
>

All government spending is subject to congressional review. Now doesn't
that make us all feel comfortable?


From: PeterB on

Vernon wrote:
> "PeterB" <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1154350214.675358.43430(a)m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > David Wright wrote:
> >> In article <1154004273.070302.243420(a)b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> >> PeterB <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >David Wright wrote:
> >> >> In article <1153771951.383312.216980(a)b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> PeterB <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >vernon wrote:
> >> >> >> "David Wright" <wright(a)l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:BAXwg.71710$fb2.59030(a)newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
> >> >> >> > In article <44c0e4f6$0$4470$88260bb3(a)news.teranews.com>,
> >> >> >> > vernon <there(a)there> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>"David" <david.sprouse(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>news:1153350394.277558.171220(a)h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> vernon wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>> Chemically made Lovistatin has been proven to have deleterious
> >> >> >> >>>> side
> >> >> >> >>>> effect.
> >> >> >> >>>> THAT is why it is "CONTROLLED"
> >> >> >> >>>> Thus far, with equal testing, red yeast rice has not shown
> >> >> >> >>>> that
> >> >> >> >>>> negative
> >> >> >> >>>> (dangerous) side effect.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>>From now on, please check your facts and do some research
> >> >> >> >>>>before
> >> >> >> >>> opening your mouth:
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> J Am Geriatr Soc. 2006 Apr;54(4):718-20.
> >> >> >> >>> Chinese red rice depletes muscle coenzyme Q10 and maintains
> >> >> >> >>> muscle
> >> >> >> >>> damage after discontinuation of statin treatment. PMID:
> >> >> >> >>> 16686894
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>Correct as do ALL statins.. Red yeast rice is not quite as bad.
> >> >> >> >>Almost
> >> >> >> >>any
> >> >> >> >>source of Red yeast rice will say to take CoQ10 with it. Some
> >> >> >> >>formulations
> >> >> >> >>will include CoQ10.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>A doctor OR the warning pamphlet for any chemical satin will NOT
> >> >> >> >>even
> >> >> >> >>mention such, even though it is much worse than Red Yeast rice
> >> >> >> >>for that
> >> >> >> >>attribute.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>Red Yeast Rice was taken off the danger list and Chemically
> >> >> >> >>created
> >> >> >> >>statins
> >> >> >> >>were not. Prescription means excess danger.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Gee, and here first you were telling us that RYR was harmless,
> >> >> >> > now
> >> >> >> > it's not, but prescription drugs are all "excess danger."
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Typical.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sufficiently "excessive" to warrant government control.
> >> >> >> Of course the other argument is "Who gave the government the right
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> control how we treat ourselves?".
> >> >>
> >> >> We did -- by electing the people who put those rules in place.
> >> >
> >> >David never noticed that FDA is a bureacracy, and that we don't elect
> >> >those guys.
> >>
> >> We elect the people who appoint them. Kindly avoid wilful stupidity,
> >> assuming that to be within your limited capabilities.
> >
> > FDA has latitude to engage in its own rulemaking process, however. The
> > fact the agency is subject to congressional overview doesn't change
> > that, and people like David Graham do what they do because the process
> > is broken. But personal attack noted.
> >
> > PeterB
> >
>
> All government spending is subject to congressional review. Now doesn't
> that make us all feel comfortable?

It's a form of failed regulatory oversight, which isn't suprising,
considering the offspring.