From: PeterB on

Peter Bowditch wrote:
> "vernon" <there(a)there> wrote:
>
> >
> >"David" <david.sprouse(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1153350847.261094.233260(a)m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >> vernon wrote:
> >>> Spoken like a true socialist (Nazi). "We will tell you what you can have
> >>> and can't have."
> >>
> >> Oh no, you found me out! I'm the world's first Socialist Nazi. My
> >> real name is Adolf Stalin.
> >>
> >
> >FYI
> >Socialist = Nazi = Communist = Dictatorship = Liberal (By actual definition)
> >
>
> Add politics to the things of which vern is ignorant.

Add Bowditch to the things which *are* ignorant.

From: David Wright on
In article <1153771951.383312.216980(a)b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
PeterB <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
>vernon wrote:
>> "David Wright" <wright(a)l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
>> news:BAXwg.71710$fb2.59030(a)newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>> > In article <44c0e4f6$0$4470$88260bb3(a)news.teranews.com>,
>> > vernon <there(a)there> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>"David" <david.sprouse(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:1153350394.277558.171220(a)h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>
>> >>> vernon wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Chemically made Lovistatin has been proven to have deleterious side
>> >>>> effect.
>> >>>> THAT is why it is "CONTROLLED"
>> >>>> Thus far, with equal testing, red yeast rice has not shown that
>> >>>> negative
>> >>>> (dangerous) side effect.
>> >>>
>> >>>>From now on, please check your facts and do some research before
>> >>> opening your mouth:
>> >>>
>> >>> J Am Geriatr Soc. 2006 Apr;54(4):718-20.
>> >>> Chinese red rice depletes muscle coenzyme Q10 and maintains muscle
>> >>> damage after discontinuation of statin treatment. PMID: 16686894
>> >>
>> >>Correct as do ALL statins.. Red yeast rice is not quite as bad. Almost
>> >>any
>> >>source of Red yeast rice will say to take CoQ10 with it. Some
>> >>formulations
>> >>will include CoQ10.
>> >>
>> >>A doctor OR the warning pamphlet for any chemical satin will NOT even
>> >>mention such, even though it is much worse than Red Yeast rice for that
>> >>attribute.
>> >>
>> >>Red Yeast Rice was taken off the danger list and Chemically created
>> >>statins
>> >>were not. Prescription means excess danger.
>> >
>> > Gee, and here first you were telling us that RYR was harmless, now
>> > it's not, but prescription drugs are all "excess danger."
>> >
>> > Typical.
>>
>> Sufficiently "excessive" to warrant government control.
>> Of course the other argument is "Who gave the government the right to
>> control how we treat ourselves?".

We did -- by electing the people who put those rules in place.

>I couldn't have said it better.

Boy, ain't THAT the truth. Sad, but the truth.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
From: PeterB on

David Wright wrote:
> In article <1153771951.383312.216980(a)b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> PeterB <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >vernon wrote:
> >> "David Wright" <wright(a)l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
> >> news:BAXwg.71710$fb2.59030(a)newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
> >> > In article <44c0e4f6$0$4470$88260bb3(a)news.teranews.com>,
> >> > vernon <there(a)there> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>"David" <david.sprouse(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >>news:1153350394.277558.171220(a)h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> vernon wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Chemically made Lovistatin has been proven to have deleterious side
> >> >>>> effect.
> >> >>>> THAT is why it is "CONTROLLED"
> >> >>>> Thus far, with equal testing, red yeast rice has not shown that
> >> >>>> negative
> >> >>>> (dangerous) side effect.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>From now on, please check your facts and do some research before
> >> >>> opening your mouth:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> J Am Geriatr Soc. 2006 Apr;54(4):718-20.
> >> >>> Chinese red rice depletes muscle coenzyme Q10 and maintains muscle
> >> >>> damage after discontinuation of statin treatment. PMID: 16686894
> >> >>
> >> >>Correct as do ALL statins.. Red yeast rice is not quite as bad. Almost
> >> >>any
> >> >>source of Red yeast rice will say to take CoQ10 with it. Some
> >> >>formulations
> >> >>will include CoQ10.
> >> >>
> >> >>A doctor OR the warning pamphlet for any chemical satin will NOT even
> >> >>mention such, even though it is much worse than Red Yeast rice for that
> >> >>attribute.
> >> >>
> >> >>Red Yeast Rice was taken off the danger list and Chemically created
> >> >>statins
> >> >>were not. Prescription means excess danger.
> >> >
> >> > Gee, and here first you were telling us that RYR was harmless, now
> >> > it's not, but prescription drugs are all "excess danger."
> >> >
> >> > Typical.
> >>
> >> Sufficiently "excessive" to warrant government control.
> >> Of course the other argument is "Who gave the government the right to
> >> control how we treat ourselves?".
>
> We did -- by electing the people who put those rules in place.

David never noticed that FDA is a bureacracy, and that we don't elect
those guys.

> >I couldn't have said it better.
>
> Boy, ain't THAT the truth. Sad, but the truth.

What's sad is that you comments are never relevant. But I digress (as
always, when referring to you.)

From: vernon on

"PeterB" <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154004273.070302.243420(a)b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> David Wright wrote:
>> In article <1153771951.383312.216980(a)b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>> PeterB <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >vernon wrote:
>> >> "David Wright" <wright(a)l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:BAXwg.71710$fb2.59030(a)newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>> >> > In article <44c0e4f6$0$4470$88260bb3(a)news.teranews.com>,
>> >> > vernon <there(a)there> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>"David" <david.sprouse(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>news:1153350394.277558.171220(a)h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> vernon wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> Chemically made Lovistatin has been proven to have deleterious
>> >> >>>> side
>> >> >>>> effect.
>> >> >>>> THAT is why it is "CONTROLLED"
>> >> >>>> Thus far, with equal testing, red yeast rice has not shown that
>> >> >>>> negative
>> >> >>>> (dangerous) side effect.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>From now on, please check your facts and do some research before
>> >> >>> opening your mouth:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> J Am Geriatr Soc. 2006 Apr;54(4):718-20.
>> >> >>> Chinese red rice depletes muscle coenzyme Q10 and maintains
>> >> >>> muscle
>> >> >>> damage after discontinuation of statin treatment. PMID:
>> >> >>> 16686894
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Correct as do ALL statins.. Red yeast rice is not quite as bad.
>> >> >>Almost
>> >> >>any
>> >> >>source of Red yeast rice will say to take CoQ10 with it. Some
>> >> >>formulations
>> >> >>will include CoQ10.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>A doctor OR the warning pamphlet for any chemical satin will NOT
>> >> >>even
>> >> >>mention such, even though it is much worse than Red Yeast rice for
>> >> >>that
>> >> >>attribute.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Red Yeast Rice was taken off the danger list and Chemically created
>> >> >>statins
>> >> >>were not. Prescription means excess danger.
>> >> >
>> >> > Gee, and here first you were telling us that RYR was harmless, now
>> >> > it's not, but prescription drugs are all "excess danger."
>> >> >
>> >> > Typical.
>> >>
>> >> Sufficiently "excessive" to warrant government control.
>> >> Of course the other argument is "Who gave the government the right to
>> >> control how we treat ourselves?".
>>
>> We did -- by electing the people who put those rules in place.
>
> David never noticed that FDA is a bureacracy, and that we don't elect
> those guys.
>
>> >I couldn't have said it better.
>>
>> Boy, ain't THAT the truth. Sad, but the truth.
>
> What's sad is that you comments are never relevant. But I digress (as
> always, when referring to you.)
>

Oh, Come on. He thinks he is in control.
FDA elected? See, he thinks he or some group of publicly interested
citizens has control of out health and destiny.
That's always how fascist / socialist systems get into being. They are
looking out for US and WE are going to get protection.
Soon we will have WORLD WIDE organizations protecting us. Of course the
retarded will think WE decided.

I sure am glad we have FDA and the UN. Imagine life without them.

In the alternative world there is always the cry of those big bad pharms.
The FDA protects us from them.
The FDA makes it possible for the pharms to hold us hostage.

It sure is good that the GOVERNMENT is protecting poor little us. (The cry
of the simple)


From: PeterB on

vernon wrote:
> "PeterB" <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1154004273.070302.243420(a)b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > David Wright wrote:
> >> In article <1153771951.383312.216980(a)b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> >> PeterB <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >vernon wrote:
> >> >> "David Wright" <wright(a)l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:BAXwg.71710$fb2.59030(a)newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
> >> >> > In article <44c0e4f6$0$4470$88260bb3(a)news.teranews.com>,
> >> >> > vernon <there(a)there> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>"David" <david.sprouse(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >>news:1153350394.277558.171220(a)h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> vernon wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> Chemically made Lovistatin has been proven to have deleterious
> >> >> >>>> side
> >> >> >>>> effect.
> >> >> >>>> THAT is why it is "CONTROLLED"
> >> >> >>>> Thus far, with equal testing, red yeast rice has not shown that
> >> >> >>>> negative
> >> >> >>>> (dangerous) side effect.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>From now on, please check your facts and do some research before
> >> >> >>> opening your mouth:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> J Am Geriatr Soc. 2006 Apr;54(4):718-20.
> >> >> >>> Chinese red rice depletes muscle coenzyme Q10 and maintains
> >> >> >>> muscle
> >> >> >>> damage after discontinuation of statin treatment. PMID:
> >> >> >>> 16686894
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Correct as do ALL statins.. Red yeast rice is not quite as bad.
> >> >> >>Almost
> >> >> >>any
> >> >> >>source of Red yeast rice will say to take CoQ10 with it. Some
> >> >> >>formulations
> >> >> >>will include CoQ10.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>A doctor OR the warning pamphlet for any chemical satin will NOT
> >> >> >>even
> >> >> >>mention such, even though it is much worse than Red Yeast rice for
> >> >> >>that
> >> >> >>attribute.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Red Yeast Rice was taken off the danger list and Chemically created
> >> >> >>statins
> >> >> >>were not. Prescription means excess danger.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Gee, and here first you were telling us that RYR was harmless, now
> >> >> > it's not, but prescription drugs are all "excess danger."
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Typical.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sufficiently "excessive" to warrant government control.
> >> >> Of course the other argument is "Who gave the government the right to
> >> >> control how we treat ourselves?".
> >>
> >> We did -- by electing the people who put those rules in place.
> >
> > David never noticed that FDA is a bureacracy, and that we don't elect
> > those guys.
> >
> >> >I couldn't have said it better.
> >>
> >> Boy, ain't THAT the truth. Sad, but the truth.
> >
> > What's sad is that you comments are never relevant. But I digress (as
> > always, when referring to you.)
> >
>
> Oh, Come on. He thinks he is in control.
> FDA elected? See, he thinks he or some group of publicly interested
> citizens has control of out health and destiny.
> That's always how fascist / socialist systems get into being. They are
> looking out for US and WE are going to get protection.
> Soon we will have WORLD WIDE organizations protecting us. Of course the
> retarded will think WE decided.

You nailed it.

> I sure am glad we have FDA and the UN. Imagine life without them.
>
> In the alternative world there is always the cry of those big bad pharms.
> The FDA protects us from them.
> The FDA makes it possible for the pharms to hold us hostage.

For me, it's all about the flow of information. I don't care what they
do, as long as disclosure is complete, and the science is independent.
But if that ever happens, the business model will collapse, at least as
it is today.

> It sure is good that the GOVERNMENT is protecting poor little us. (The cry
> of the simple)

How true. And to do think we pay for it all.