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From: pearl on 12 Mar 2007 10:53 <10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:8h58v2d61s7v55t6n5tb0rf1bi88c0odgi(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:08:35 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> > wrote: > > >"Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message news:H2LIh.62343$Du6.31635(a)edtnps82... > >> "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message > >> news:esvdt7$67m$2(a)reader01.news.esat.net... > >> > >> > Humans are not a naturally carnivorous species. > >> > >> Humans are naturally omnivores (both herbivore and carnivore). That can be > >> proven by simply examining our teeth. > > > >See my reply to Nobody. > > > >> >> And how would Pearl suggest the Inuit grow cereal crops and > >> >> vegetables? OR is global warming going to allow them to do that? > >> > > >> > These seals are not being killed for meat. > >> > >> There is still a market for seal meat but it isn't the primary market. > > > >Again, show us data to support your claim. > > You want the menu for an outport restraunt in Newfoundland? > You have never had seal flipper soup? 'Most of the meat is wasted and left on the ice. Some if it is sold to fur farms and some is ground up into animal feed. A few thousand seal flippers are sold for human consumption in Newfoundland. There is also a growing black market demand for the seal penis bone in the Far East as some sort of voodoo quack remedy for impotence. .... There are few indigenous peoples involved in the commercial seal "hunt". Inuit or Native people in the North hunt mostly in the arctic and primarily ringed seals. Most of the sealers in the Gulf of St.Lawrence are residents of the Magdalen Islands of Quebec. These are French speaking people. Most of the sealers of the Newfoundland Front are descendents of the European immigrants. There are about 4500 Inuit in Newfoundland. However, the original Newfoundlanders, the Beothuk, were driven into extinction by the European immigrants. The last member of the Beothuk nation died in 1912. The Newfoundlanders had a bounty on the Beothuk and most were slain by MicMac Indian bounty hunters from New Brunswick and Quebec. Newfoundlanders also drove the Newfoundland wolf, the walrus, and the Labrador duck to extinction and extirpated the polar bear, and the pilot whale from Newfoundland territory.... ....' http://www.harpseals.org/hunt/faqs.html > You should travel to China and take a close look at the menus there. > If it walks, swims, crawls, or is breathing, it just might be a menu > item. 'Tu Quoque - Two Wrongs Make a Right Description: Two wrongs never add up to a right; you cannot right a wrong by applying yet another wrong. Such a fallacy is a misplaced appeal to consistency. It is a fallacy because it makes no attempt to deal with the subject under discussion. http://education.gsu.edu/spehar/FOCUS/EdPsy/misc/Fallacies.htm
From: pearl on 12 Mar 2007 10:53 <10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:im58v21keb9fhg0f0s1334e77kglgu4gev(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:07:11 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> > wrote: > > >'Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate > >for all stages of the lifecycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, > >infancy, childhood and adolescence. Appropriately planned vegetarian > >diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate and provide health benefits in > >the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.' These 'certain > >diseases' are the killer epidemics of today - heart disease, strokes, > >cancers, diabetes etc. > > > >This is the view of the world's most prestigious health advisory body, > >the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada, after a > >review of world literature. It is backed up by the British Medical > >Association: > > > >'Vegetarians have lower rates of obesity, coronary heart disease, > >high blood pressure, large bowel disorders, cancers and gall stones.' > >...' > >http://www.vegetarian.org.uk/mediareleases/050221.html > > > You should see the millions of hectares stolen from wildlife habitat > so that farmers can grow food for folks who eat cerial crops and > vegetables. All those animals that used that habitat are now shut out > and starving. > Not to mention all of the fertilizers, herbicides, and pestiticides > farmers use to maximize the crops they grow to sell to vegetarians. > All that stuff is poisoning the earth. Give me pristine wilderness, > grubbing for roots, and eating small (and large) mammals and fish that > I catch my self. I'm really into organic.... Non sequitur. As you've mentioned it, though.. 'Livestock a major threat to environment ... Livestock now use 30 percent of the earth's entire land surface, mostly permanent pasture but also including 33 percent of the global arable land used to producing feed for livestock, the report notes. As forests are cleared to create new pastures, it is a major driver of deforestation, especially in Latin America where, for example, some 70 percent of former forests in the Amazon have been turned over to grazing. Land and water At the same time herds cause wide-scale land degradation, with about 20 percent of pastures considered as degraded through overgrazing, compaction and erosion. This figure is even higher in the drylands where inappropriate policies and inadequate livestock management contribute to advancing desertification. The livestock business is among the most damaging sectors to the earth's increasingly scarce water resources, contributing among other things to water pollution, euthropication and the degeneration of coral reefs. The major polluting agents are animal wastes, antibiotics and hormones, chemicals from tanneries, fertilizers and the pesticides used to spray feed crops. Widespread overgrazing disturbs water cycles, reducing replenishment of above and below ground water resources. Significant amounts of water are withdrawn for the production of feed. Livestock are estimated to be the main inland source of phosphorous and nitrogen contamination of the South China Sea, contributing to biodiversity loss in marine ecosystems. Meat and dairy animals now account for about 20 percent of all terrestrial animal biomass. Livestock's presence in vast tracts of land and its demand for feed crops also contribute to biodiversity loss; 15 out of 24 important ecosystem services are assessed as in decline, with livestock identified as a culprit. .... http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/2006/1000448/index.html Impact of livestock grazing on wildlife and habitat worldwide: http://www.wasteofthewest.com/Chapter6.html "global arable land" = "present cropland".. From Technological Trajectories and the Human Environment. 1997. Pp. 56-73. Washington, DC: National Academy Press. "How Much Land Can Ten Billion People Spare for Nature?".. 'By eating different species of crops and a more or less vegetarian diet people can change the number that a plot can feed. And large numbers of people do change their diets. The calories and protein available from present cropland could provide a vegetarian diet to ten billion people. A diet requiring food and feed totaling 6,000 calories daily for ten billion people, however, would overwhelm the capability of present agriculture on present cropland. The global totals of sun, CO2, fertilizer, and even water could produce far more food than what ten billion people need. ...' http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=4767&page=56
From: pearl on 12 Mar 2007 10:53 "Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message news:l6WIh.74648$cE3.56660(a)edtnps89... > "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message > news:et0rkr$ph2$3(a)reader01.news.esat.net... > > "Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message > > news:H2LIh.62343$Du6.31635(a)edtnps82... > >> "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message > >> news:esvdt7$67m$2(a)reader01.news.esat.net... > >> > >> > Humans are not a naturally carnivorous species. > >> > >> Humans are naturally omnivores (both herbivore and carnivore). That can > >> be > >> proven by simply examining our teeth. > > > > See my reply to Nobody. > > See my post about strontium/calcium in hominid fossil bone. It makes the > argument about teeth rather irrelevant. I'm waiting to see the data. > >> >> And how would Pearl suggest the Inuit grow cereal crops and > >> >> vegetables? OR is global warming going to allow them to do that? > >> > > >> > These seals are not being killed for meat. > >> > >> There is still a market for seal meat but it isn't the primary market. > > > > Again, show us data to support your claim. > > http://www.sealharvest.ca/html/products.html "Meat processing on a commercial basis has always been minimal since consumption is restricted to the domestic market in Atlantic and Arctic Canada especially in Newfoundland. " 'Most of the meat is wasted and left on the ice. Some if it is sold to fur farms and some is ground up into animal feed. A few thousand seal flippers are sold for human consumption in Newfoundland. There is also a growing black market demand for the seal penis bone in the Far East as some sort of voodoo quack remedy for impotence. .... There are few indigenous peoples involved in the commercial seal "hunt". Inuit or Native people in the North hunt mostly in the arctic and primarily ringed seals. Most of the sealers in the Gulf of St.Lawrence are residents of the Magdalen Islands of Quebec. These are French speaking people. Most of the sealers of the Newfoundland Front are descendents of the European immigrants. There are about 4500 Inuit in Newfoundland. However, the original Newfoundlanders, the Beothuk, were driven into extinction by the European immigrants. The last member of the Beothuk nation died in 1912. The Newfoundlanders had a bounty on the Beothuk and most were slain by MicMac Indian bounty hunters from New Brunswick and Quebec. Newfoundlanders also drove the Newfoundland wolf, the walrus, and the Labrador duck to extinction and extirpated the polar bear, and the pilot whale from Newfoundland territory.... ....' http://www.harpseals.org/hunt/faqs.html
From: pearl on 12 Mar 2007 10:53 "Nobody" <not(a)home.anymore> wrote in message news:Xns98F07317B2D251v2rt(a)204.153.245.131... > pearl wrote: > > > "Nobody" <not(a)home.anymore> wrote in message > > news:Xns98EFCED54BC3A1v2rt(a)204.153.245.131... > >> pearl wrote: > >> > >> > "Nobody" <not(a)home.anymore> wrote in message > >> > news:Xns98EFA62456F7E1v2rt(a)204.153.245.131... > >> >> pearl wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Humans are not a naturally carnivorous species. > >> >> > >> >> Who told you that? Someone from PETA? > >> > > >> > Anatomy, physiology, biology, epidemiological and clinical > >> > research.. > >> > >> Clinical research? Whose? > > > > 'Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are > > appropriate for all stages of the lifecycle, including during > > pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood and adolescence. > > Nice try but that doesn't explain anatomy, physiology or biology. > Your comments are strictly those of some nutritionist. Likely a > vegan. Nice try, but you specifically asked about clinical research. The link you snipped explained plenty. Go have a look. > >> Do you have any good reason why a > >> herbiverous animal, like man as you suggest, would have incisors > >> AND canine teeth? > > Most "nutritionists" assert that we have definite carnivorous > leanings, > > <snipped incredibly long non answer> > > > That prettyt well confirms what I was saying, Thanks. Pearl, none of > that says that humans are vegetarians. It says, if anything, that > they are omnivores and are capable of eating almost anything. It is > only YOUR type that says we shouldn't eat meat. Omnivores are carnivorous. Where are meat-eating adaptations? > > Well, show us the data pertaining to export of seal meat then.. > > http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/sc_mrkti/tdst/tdo/tdo.php? > > > All you need to know is there as well as an interesting bit on which > countries import it as well as the fur. Maybe you should spend your > time whining to you own government and let Canadians worry about > Canadian issues. You need to support your claim, but apparently you can't, and it has nothing to do with Inuit' subsistance in any case.
From: pearl on 12 Mar 2007 10:53
<10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:rk58v2ph2vkmn7t9b9une3ia7d66638trl(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:02:24 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> > wrote: > > >"Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message news:cNKIh.62340$Du6.1198(a)edtnps82... > >> "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message > >> news:esvdt6$67m$1(a)reader01.news.esat.net... > >> > "Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message > >> > news:uwDIh.62113$Du6.116(a)edtnps82... ... > >> >> It's perfectly ethical, legal, humane, moral, and sustainable to harvest > >> >> seals for fur and meat. > >> > > >> > It is none of the above. > >> > >> That certainly was a compelling argument. > > > >If there is absolute necessity (for survival), it may be justifiable. > > > >This isn't. > > Could you please show some data to prove your statement. > > If folks stop producing food, then what do they eat? 'Most of the meat is wasted and left on the ice. Some if it is sold to fur farms and some is ground up into animal feed. A few thousand seal flippers are sold for human consumption in Newfoundland. There is also a growing black market demand for the seal penis bone in the Far East as some sort of voodoo quack remedy for impotence. ....' http://www.harpseals.org/hunt/faqs.html |