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From: pearl on 19 Mar 2007 11:00 <10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:baalv29spim0uiav3npoe62vtr2uo38ro4(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:23:22 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> > wrote: > > ><10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:574lv2ta2m7pp16i1b8vn1gbk8qs97qtub(a)4ax.com... > >> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:29:57 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >> Tell me how is taking one deer of a thousand, or one seal out of a > >> >> thosand, using the skin, and eating the seal damaging the environment? > >> > > >> >Humans number over 6 billion. How many deer and seals? > >> > >> > >> I would strongly suggest you visit mainland china. There are a billion > >> people there. Every square inch of arable land is utilized. Every > >> thing that is wild is a source of sustenance. That is what > >> agriculture for 4000 years does to the environment. > >> Grazing keeps part of the land close to natural. > > > >Meat consumption in China was traditionally very low. > >Now they are buying soya from deforested Amazon. > > That is because the land that could be used to raise livestock is > being used to grow as much crop as possible to feed a population that > is almost over the ability of the land to sustain. Meat is a premium > in china. They use it sparingly because it is so rare. It is because meat consumption has increased. Therefore their need for feed, not food, has increased, accordingly. > >> As for how many deer and seals, not enough to feed 6 billion people. > >> but enough to feed the local folk so they don't starve. > > > >Make up your mind. > > How so? Local populaitons utilize local resouces to feed themselves > and earn money. It would be rediccolous to believe that everyone in > the world should get one bite of seal. The seal population can not > survive that kind of pressure. But it can survive a small number of > folks utilizing a small percentage of seals in a harvest. That takes > the pressure off of other food and resource sources in the world. 'Humans Hunted Mammals To Extinction In North America Science Daily - (Santa Barbara, Calif.) -- Woolly mammoths, giant armadillos and three species of camels were among more than 30 mammals that were hunted to extinction by North American humans 13,000 to 12,000 years ago, according to the most realistic, sophisticated computer model to date. The news is reported in the June 8 issue of the journal Science. .... "This was a big event in North America," said Alroy. "And, although humans were responsible for the extinctions, it wasn't clear to them because it happened over a 1,000 year period. It took so long that they didn't realize it until it was too late." "More than half of the large mammal biota of the Americas disappeared in a cataclysmic extinction wave at the very end of the Pleistocene," begins Alroy in the Science article. Some of the mammals that became extinct are: * woolly mammoths * Columbian mammoths * American mastodons * three types of ground sloths * glyptodonts * giant armadillos * several species of horses * four species of pronghorn antelopes * three species of camels * giant deer * several species of oxen * giant bison But why did some species of large mammals become extinct and others not? Moose, Canadian elk and bison survived. "These had a broader distribution," explained Alroy. They were able to move into what is now Canada as the glaciers melted. "These animals may also have developed more ways to avoid humans since they co-evolved with humans here, in Europe and Asia," he said. ....' http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/06/010608081621.htm Clearly, some people will never learn...
From: pearl on 19 Mar 2007 11:00 <10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:en9lv2tb7c6h6umc0la0nc8pnv33on1ajb(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:24:40 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> > wrote: > > ><10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:qb4lv29t5ufurgc4hhpo0rssr015234iin(a)4ax.com... > >> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:29:57 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >Go vegetarian, and we would require less cropland than is > >> >currently used for food and feed, without the need to hunt. > >> > >> This is the "a family can exist on five acres of vegetables theory"? > >> There are 6 billion people in the world. Are there 6 billion acres of > >> arable land? > >> And what do they do when the uncontroled, overpopulated, starving > >> wildlife eats the vegetables on their acre of land? > > > >You're just another wilfully ignorant troll, aren't you. > > You are mistaken. I have lived with a vegetable garden, preserving > food in glass sealers, root cellar for other vegetables, rolling > oats and wheat for human consumption, no electricity, no running > water, and no natural gas for heating. two km from the nearest thing > that could be called a road and seventy km from the nearest pavement. > More hours were spent growing and putting up forage for the livestock > that we used to pull the farm machinery to grow crops so we could have > spending money for the clothes that we couldn't make. And if we didn't > have horses to pull the machinery, it would have been family members. > The first eighteen years of my life were spent like that. > > Be very carefull of whom you call a troll, and be even more carefull > of whom you call ignorant. Then show otherwise. So far, you've kept ignoring the facts.
From: pearl on 19 Mar 2007 11:00
<10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:am9lv21au6needno7va4fi22up9u261dkk(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:25:30 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> > wrote: > > ><10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:og4lv25iljapu98jfguj1brcoi4rutiai3(a)4ax.com... > >> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:35:11 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> > >> wrote: > >> > >> ><10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:7bhhv2hk37ir577ah071vvueqsbveff2bc(a)4ax.com... > >> >> On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:58:17 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> > >> >> wrote: > >> >.. > >> >> >Clue: Humans number over six billion these days. Where > >> >> >is all this wildlife you seem so keen on "harvesting", hmm? > >> >> > > >> >> >Provide evidence to support your claims... > >> >> > >> >> If you go out in the woods today, you're in for a big surprize. There > >> >> is wildlife there, some places the highest populations of wildlife > >> >> since before the fur trade. Wildlife numbers so high that the habitat > >> >> can no longer provide enough food to support the populations. > >> >> ANd you want to see these beautiful (tasty) animals starve and get > >> >> eaten by wolves and coyotes while they are too week to flee? > >> > > >> >Show us some examples of what you claim. > >> > >> Here is a photo of two predators fighting over a carcass > >> > >> http://www.tarsiger.com/index.php?pic_id=komi1142612071&lang=eng > > > >Proving what, exactly? > > > About as much as you have proven... A wilfully ignorant troll. Like I said.... |