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From: Ian MacLure on 14 Mar 2007 22:51 "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in news:et9960$6ua$11(a)reader01.news.esat.net: [snip] > I'm not the one blathering here. Well YOU would say that wouldn't you. Get used to the idea that harp seals will be clubbed and get on with your life. You'll be much happier. IBM
From: 10x on 15 Mar 2007 00:48 On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:54:14 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote: > >Yeah..right. What part of "'Most of the meat is wasted and left >on the ice." are you still having trouble with? If as a last resort >seal meat is required, I can't object, but that isn't the case here. THe meat isn't wasted, it feeds seagulls, other birds, and also the fish that the seals eat... Nothing in nature is wasted. It all gets recycled. You are so ego centric to think that it is just humans who can utilize dead seals? >> Vegetarians are responsible for a great deal of loss of wildlife >> habitat to the plow. They eat, wildlife starves. > >As if you 'omnivores' don't eat vegetables and fruits, grains, >legumes, nuts and so on as well. Addressed in other posts. You had better believe I do. I also devote a significant protion of my farm land to wildlife habitat at my own personal expense. Land that I could be taking a profit from by renting it to a farmer rather than have it sit uncultivated as wildlife habitat. Are you willing to do the same? I eat grains, fruits, and vegetables, dairy products, and meat. Get over it.... I have set aside productive land for wildlife habitat. Over 60% of this land is managed for wildlife alone http://maps.google.com/?ie=utf8&z=16&ll=56.199781,-118.836644&spn=0.005575,0.014462&t=k&om=1 In the summer there are several thousand waterfoul there, not to mention all of the other wildlife species that depend on water and quality habitat year round. take the � out of 10x(a)telu�s.net to email me
From: 10x on 15 Mar 2007 00:52 On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:17:30 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote: >> >http://venus.nildram.co.uk/veganmc/polemics.htm >> > >> >> So what do those who hunt seals turn to for food > >In this "hunt" most of the meat is left on the ice. Where it is utilized by birds, and eventually fish. Remember seals eat fish. Sometimes the shoe is on the other foot... >> and income when they >> can no longer hunt seals? And where are the rain forests on the >> coastlines where the seal hunters live? What are the alternative food >> sources. What are the alternative sources of income? > >Addressed elsewhere. Do these populations not eat fruits >and vegetables? Where are they getting such foods from? The areas where the seal hunt occurs do get fruit and vegetables. They hunt seals for the skins to they can afford to buy these expensive foreign foods.. >> What happens if the seal population goes unchecked? > >The ocean ecology begins to recover, if people let it be. Bullshit. A large seal population will hammer the heck out of what is left of the fisheries - fisheries that have been overfished by man. Dead seals on the ice eventuallly wind up feeding some of the fish. take the � out of 10x(a)telu�s.net to email me
From: 10x on 15 Mar 2007 00:58 On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:35:57 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote: ><10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:cfpfv2lq277mbm8ksjeuml8uahr740o0ss(a)4ax.com... >> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:52:53 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> >> wrote: >> >> ><10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:f168v2lkmj6sog2gnqbaqagt9j29hqak85(a)4ax.com... >> >> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:15:51 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >"Nobody" <not(a)home.anymore> wrote in message news:Xns98EFCFF5C75ED1v2rt(a)204.153.245.131... >> >> >> Chom Noamsky wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message >> >> >> > news:esvh94$7h0$1(a)reader01.news.esat.net... >> >> >> >> "Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message >> >> >> >> news:_IHIh.62302$Du6.38382(a)edtnps82... >> >> >> >>> > "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message >> >> >> >>> > news:esvf0i$6lg$1(a)reader01.news.esat.net... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > 'Bullies project their inadequacies, shortcomings, behaviours >> >> >> >>> > etc on to other people to avoid facing up to their inadequacy >> >> >> >>> > and doing something about it (learning about oneself can be >> >> >> >>> > painful), and to distract and divert attention away from >> >> >> >>> > themselves and their inadequacies. Projection is achieved >> >> >> >>> > through blame, criticism and allegation; once you realise >> >> >> >>> > this, every criticism, allegation etc that the bully makes >> >> >> >>> > about their target is actually an admission or revelation >> >> >> >>> > about themselves. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> That was a great general description of PETA and its membership. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You're still doing it.. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I'd have to say the role of bully is being played by PETA. It's >> >> >> > really none of PETA's business (headquartered in the US) to >> >> >> > interfere in the affairs of the sovereign nation of Canada. If >> >> >> > anyone finds sealing objectionable, simply refrain from buying the >> >> >> > products. If there wasn't any market for seal products there >> >> >> > wouldnt be a hunt, except perhaps a cull to help Canada's over >> >> >> > exploited cod fishery to recover. >> >> >> >> >> >> Well said. I wonder what interest 'pearl' from the UK actually has >> >> >> in the issue. At least Karen Gordon is Canadian. >> >> > >> >> >I care about the seals and the environment. Duh. >> >> >> >> You probably do care about seals and the environment. >> >> >> >> Sadly you are a vegetarian. The demand by folks who eat ceral crops >> >> and vegetables has decimated wildlife habitat. The energy and water >> >> used for irrigation alone is a major environmental disaster. >> >> Maybe you are part of the problem? >> > >> >'Livestock a major threat to environment >> >.. >> >Livestock now use 30 percent of the earth's entire land surface, mostly >> >permanent pasture but also including 33 percent of the global arable land >> >used to producing feed for livestock, the report notes. As forests are >> >cleared to create new pastures, it is a major driver of deforestation, >> >especially in Latin America where, for example, some 70 percent of >> >former forests in the Amazon have been turned over to grazing. >> >> You are right, the goat, and the plow are the biggest threat to >> wildlife in the world. The plow more so because it destroys the >> natural flora completely and replaces it with a monoculture that can >> NOT be utilized by the wildlife that formerly used that land. >> Cultivation causes dreadful habitat destruction, far more than >> livestock ever did. > >False. Already addressed. How is it false. Agriculture destroys and changes the structure of wildlife habitat. That is a fact. Where have you ever addressed this. I've watched thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of hectares of wildlife habitat destroyed because folks have dreams of farming and existing on marginal land. The bottom line, farming destroys habitat. It cuts down trees, it kills the native grasses and shrubs, and the end result is a monoculture with the fibre and nematodes in the soil being destroyed. take the � out of 10x(a)telu�s.net to email me
From: 10x on 15 Mar 2007 01:00
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:52:43 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote: ><10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:khgdv2pij3vrl5694eam6470n195s6cqqb(a)4ax.com... >> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:14 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> >> wrote: >> >> >"Nobody" <not(a)home.anymore> wrote in message news:Xns98F1C1FEBA9331v2rt(a)204.153.245.131... >> >> pearl wrote: >> >> >> >> > 'Most of the meat is wasted and left on the ice. Some if it is >> >> > sold to fur farms and some is ground up into animal feed. A >> >> > few thousand seal flippers are sold for human consumption in >> >> > Newfoundland. There is also a growing black market demand >> >> > for the seal penis bone in the Far East as some sort of voodoo >> >> > quack remedy for impotence. >> >> >> >> You STILL haven't come up with any valid source for that. >> > >> >You STILL haven't refuted it. >> > >> >> > http://www.harpseals.org/hunt/faqs.html >> >> >> >> You post information fron an activist site that supports YOUR view. >> >> Not too clever are you? I gave you a site to check but you seem either >> >> too scared or too lazy to check it out. >> > >> >'ad hominem abusive: instead of attacking an assertion, attacking >> >the person who made the assertion. >> >..' >> >http://www.mdpme.com/FALLACY5.HTM >> > >> >Support your claim, if you're gonna, if you can. You can't. >> > >> >> >> Harvesting wildlife is the least environmentally damaging way to >> >> >> get food. >> >> >> >> Enough said. >> > >> >It's BS. >> >> Prove that it is BS! > >Done. > When and how? Tell me how is taking one deer of a thousand, or one seal out of a thosand, using the skin, and eating the seal damaging the environment? Compare that to farming where the whole fauna is eradicated and changed to an unatural monoculture, soils deteriorate, and the cropland is essentually sterile except for the target species being grown? Hunting does not damage the habitat - vegetable farming does. take the � out of 10x(a)telu�s.net to email me |