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From: pearl on 14 Mar 2007 10:43 "Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message news:YBOJh.82922$Du6.27757(a)edtnps82... > "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message > news:et6d6s$1ij$9(a)reader01.news.esat.net... > > > '.. the argument's presentation has no relevance to the > > truth or falsity in the conclusion. > > But you're not presenting arguments... you're presenting someone else's > arguments. 'cite (sit) tr.v., cit�ed, cit�ing, cites. 1. To quote as an authority or example. 2. To mention or bring forward as support, illustration, or proof: ... ... http://www.answers.com/cite&r=67
From: pearl on 14 Mar 2007 11:08 "Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message news:KnNJh.82615$Du6.26694(a)edtnps82... > "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message > news:et6d6r$1ij$8(a)reader01.news.esat.net... > > > Do you have any valid argument, or are you just a pro-sealing troll? > > I consider all sides of a conflict and weigh the evidence accordingly... my > arguments are never based on a single side or facet. ARAs consider only > their side of a conflict to be the correct side, there is no other side to > consider. Therefore... no... I can never have a valid argument with an > ARA. You don't know that ARAs haven't adopted their position as a result of weighing the evidence, and if what you allege was true, it should spur you on more to try valid argument, instead of weasling out of it with cheap sniping as you do.
From: pearl on 14 Mar 2007 11:46 "Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message news:HUNJh.82766$Du6.57981(a)edtnps82... > "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message > news:et6d6t$1ij$10(a)reader01.news.esat.net... > > > > Why? What it shows is that there is no need for seal meat. > > Why is there a need for anything? Why do you need a PC? Justify to me the > loss of wildlife habitat that results from the product life cycle of that > computer sitting in front of you. You think you're pure in your beliefs but > I can guarantee no matter what you do, you will never be pure in your > practices (not unless you're willing to go live with the apes). Tell me about "loss of wildlife habitat" for my PC. And again: 'Tu Quoque - Two Wrongs Make a Right Description: Two wrongs never add up to a right; you cannot right a wrong by applying yet another wrong. Such a fallacy is a misplaced appeal to consistency. It is a fallacy because it makes no attempt to deal with the subject under discussion. http://education.gsu.edu/spehar/FOCUS/EdPsy/misc/Fallacies.htm > >> > There is also a growing black market demand > >> > for the seal penis bone in the Far East as some sort of voodoo > >> > quack remedy for impotence. > >> > >> The seal hunt is legal, the trade in such animal parts is not. Go after > >> the > >> criminals. > > > > You are the ones meeting their 'demand'. You can stop it. > > Who is "you?" Do you think everyone who supports the hunt is directly > involved in it? You are complicit and an accessory to the crime by your support. > >> > There are few indigenous peoples involved in the commercial > >> > seal "hunt". Inuit or Native people in the North hunt mostly in > >> > the arctic and primarily ringed seals. Most of the sealers in the > >> > Gulf of St.Lawrence are residents of the Magdalen Islands > >> > of Quebec. These are French speaking people. Most of the > >> > sealers of the Newfoundland Front are descendents of the > >> > European immigrants. > >> > >> And? > > > > This "hunt" is not done to meet indigenous requirements. > > Who cares? Canada has a trillion dollar economy which does not revolve > around "indigenous requirements." And all the pretence falls away, just like that. Marvelous. > > Was the reason for colonisation just to exploit the abundant wildlife? > > Apparently you're quite ignorant of Canadian history. Do they teach kids > that stuff these days? I'm asking you. Do you know, or don't you? > >> > There are about 4500 Inuit in Newfoundland. However, the > >> > original Newfoundlanders, the Beothuk, were driven into > >> > extinction by the European immigrants. The last member of > >> > the Beothuk nation died in 1912. The Newfoundlanders had > >> > a bounty on the Beothuk and most were slain by MicMac > >> > Indian bounty hunters from New Brunswick and Quebec. > >> > Newfoundlanders also drove the Newfoundland wolf, the > >> > walrus, and the Labrador duck to extinction and extirpated the > >> > polar bear, and the pilot whale from Newfoundland territory.... > >> > >> The sons are responsible for the sins of the father? > > > > The sons are clearly continuing the sins of their fathers. > > It's only a sin in the minds of ideologically-driven ARA fanatics who watch > too much Walt Disney. 'Imagine - if you can - not having a conscience, none at all, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern for the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken. .... The individuals who constitute this 4 percent drain our relationships, our bank accounts, our accomplishments, our self-esteem, our very peace on earth. ....' http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm
From: pearl on 14 Mar 2007 12:31 "Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message news:bXNJh.82777$Du6.51430(a)edtnps82... > "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message > news:et6d71$1ij$14(a)reader01.news.esat.net... > > "Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message > > news:xvhJh.38694$lY6.15090(a)edtnps90... > >> "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message > >> news:et3pbs$v1f$1(a)reader01.news.esat.net... > >> > "Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message > >> > news:lnWIh.75072$cE3.59687(a)edtnps89... > >> >> "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message > >> >> news:et0rqr$phu$1(a)reader01.news.esat.net... > >> >> > >> >> > I care about the seals and the environment. Duh. > >> >> > >> >> Harp Seals are not in any great danger of extinction, far from it, the > >> >> populations are quite healthy and have been stable for years. > >> > > >> > 'While the harp seal is not on Canada's species at risk list, it is > >> > unlikely that the population can continue to withstand the current > >> > levels of exploitation. > >> > >> <snip all usual ARA propaganda> > > > > Not a valid argument, again. Y'all seem to excel at ~that~. > > Parroting ARA websites wholesale is not argument, it's spamming And again. > >> The World Wildlife Fund supports the seal hunt. They've taken the > >> realistic > >> approach and believe a sustainable hunt is the best solution for all > >> parties. The ARAs are ideologically driven radicals that have no > >> connection > >> to seals or the communities that hunt them, other than this type of > >> activism > >> is a very good way to raise funds and keep their leaders employed. If > >> the > >> WWF and respected conservationists believes the hunt is sustainable, > >> that's > >> good enough for me. > > > > http://www.wickedwildlifefund.com/abuse.html > > > > The WWF Endorses the Killing of Wild Animals, Too > > Ahhh... of course a nice, balanced website to provide your opinion (in place > of the one you don't seem to have). What?
From: pearl on 14 Mar 2007 12:49
<10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:ducev2dpfodetrl4ql38v89sijpte0k7i7(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:57:30 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> > wrote: > > ><10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:5bgdv2l0697am0285lckpq17b6djr5h09r(a)4ax.com... > >> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:52:15 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> > >> wrote: > >.. > >> >> >Stop pretending that this slaughter is about real need and survival. > >> >> > >> >> So if the "slaugter" is stopped how do these folks get enough money to > >> >> survive? WHat replaces the seal meat? > >> > > >> >Three things have been suggested: a. continue to receive state > >> >welfare payments for those two weeeks, b. eco-tourism, and, > >> >c. collecting seal pups' moulting white fur for warm bedding. > >> > >> I would strongly suggest those opposed to the seal hunt contribute > >> their disposable income towards the welfare of the seal hunters so > >> they don't have to kill seals for income. > > > >You do know that you were offered $16m last year to cancel > >this "hunt", and that it was rejected by your prime minister? > > And rightly so, the prime minister does not hunt seals nor does he > take bribes from special interest groups. Maybe the 16 millions > should have been offered directly to the seal hunters? 'As tempting as it must have been for the federal government to give away more presents to the East Coast electorate shortly before an election, the scientific community agreed - they were in no position to give away the cod. By 2003, it was clear the new fishing zones had to be closed permanently. On cue, with another federal election pending, the Fisheries Minister quickly announced the highest quota for harp seals in history: Canada would allow nearly one million seal pups to be slaughtered over three years. Seals and politics: a lethal combination Newfoundland, with a relatively small population of about half a million people, contains 7 out of the 308 political constituencies in Canada. Their political significance has dramatically increased in light of the current minority government situation. The challenge politically in ending the seal hunt in Canada has not been public opinion; rather, it is the federal government's perception that while the majority of Canadians oppose the seal hunt, they are unlikely to vote on the issue. Conversely, on Canada's East Coast, fisheries policies are historically vote generators. The political equation thus far has been simple - supporting the hunt will buy political support in the East, but not cost political support in practical terms elsewhere. ...' http://www.boycott-canada.com/info/why.htm > >> As for ecotourism, that is laugable. Would you pay several thousand > >> dollars a day to pet a baby seal and risk getting bitten? > >> There isn't a market for this is there? > > > >'Canadian government rejects $16 million to end seal hunt > > > >Connecticut Businesswoman Makes $16 Million Offer to > >Canadian Prime Minister to End Slaughter of Canadian > >Baby Seals > > Once again the Canadian Prime Minister can not accept money for > something that he doesn't do. Well, a liberal prime minister > might... And you've ignored everything else you snipped. |