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From: Chom Noamsky on 14 Mar 2007 04:43 "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message news:et6d70$1ij$13(a)reader01.news.esat.net... > Yes, I consider it to be propaganda at its 'finest'. The efficiency > ratio of grain to beef gain is 16:1. The "marginal land" referred to > is one third (at least) of ALL land. And one third of arable land. > Now you consider the above again, including what you snipped. Pardon me if I clip your excessive cut & pasting. It really doesn't help your argument, it gives the appearance that you do not have an opinion of your own. Do you have an opinion of your own? It would help your credibility a lot if you would discuss the topics in your own voice, then provide just the links to the relevant material (hint: that's what WEB BROWSERS and HYPERLINKS are for) As for the matter above, give me a credible source for your assertions (no, not some quack vegetarian ARA website, something from credible sources) >> And the question that begs to be asked: do you think everyone wants to >> be >> vegetarian? > > All things considered, addiction to fat aside, I can't see how not. Well, there's your problem, we all don't see like you. Most vegan and vegetarian advocacy is based idealogical myths, not science. I personally have tried a vegan diet high in fruit, it left me weak and tired and my muscle mass deteriorated. Being involved in sports (e.g. whitewater kayaking) that require high energy levels and physical strength it was not for me. Don't delude yourself that everyone wants to or should eat a diet like yours.
From: Chom Noamsky on 14 Mar 2007 04:44 "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message news:et6d6s$1ij$9(a)reader01.news.esat.net... > '.. the argument's presentation has no relevance to the > truth or falsity in the conclusion. But you're not presenting arguments... you're presenting someone else's arguments.
From: 10x on 14 Mar 2007 09:06 On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:53:43 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote: >"Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message news:yOVIh.74154$cE3.39700(a)edtnps89... >> "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message >> news:et0rko$ph2$1(a)reader01.news.esat.net... >> > "Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message >> > news:cNKIh.62340$Du6.1198(a)edtnps82... >> >> "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message >> >> news:esvdt6$67m$1(a)reader01.news.esat.net... >> >> > "Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message >> >> > news:uwDIh.62113$Du6.116(a)edtnps82... >... >> >> >> It's perfectly ethical, legal, humane, moral, and sustainable to >> >> >> harvest >> >> >> seals for fur and meat. >> >> > >> >> > It is none of the above. >> >> >> >> That certainly was a compelling argument. >> > >> > If there is absolute necessity (for survival), it may be justifiable. >> > >> > This isn't. >> >> And who bestowed upon you the authority to determine what is justified and >> what is not? Well, nobody has, so what you define as necessity is purely an >> "opinion." > >Actually.. Logic dictates that whatever is not required for survival >is not absolute necessity. Ethics determines that wanton violence, >cruelty and killing is immoral. Justice averts her eyes and weeps. The violence of the seal hunt is so that folks can earn a few extra dollars, feel that they have independant income. And they get to eat some tastey seal meat. Compare that to the destruction of birds nests by farmers who use mechanical means to weed crops - organic farmers do this.... >"Tsekung asked, Is there one word that can serve as a principle of >conduct for life? Confucius replied, It is the word shu -- reciprocity: >Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you." >- Confucianism. Analects 15.23 What has this got to do with earning a living and survival? take the � out of 10x(a)telu�s.net to email me
From: 10x on 14 Mar 2007 09:10 On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:52:53 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote: ><10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:f168v2lkmj6sog2gnqbaqagt9j29hqak85(a)4ax.com... >> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:15:51 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> >> wrote: >> >> >"Nobody" <not(a)home.anymore> wrote in message news:Xns98EFCFF5C75ED1v2rt(a)204.153.245.131... >> >> Chom Noamsky wrote: >> >> >> >> > "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message >> >> > news:esvh94$7h0$1(a)reader01.news.esat.net... >> >> >> "Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message >> >> >> news:_IHIh.62302$Du6.38382(a)edtnps82... >> >> >>> > "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message >> >> >>> > news:esvf0i$6lg$1(a)reader01.news.esat.net... >> >> >> >> >> >>> > 'Bullies project their inadequacies, shortcomings, behaviours >> >> >>> > etc on to other people to avoid facing up to their inadequacy >> >> >>> > and doing something about it (learning about oneself can be >> >> >>> > painful), and to distract and divert attention away from >> >> >>> > themselves and their inadequacies. Projection is achieved >> >> >>> > through blame, criticism and allegation; once you realise >> >> >>> > this, every criticism, allegation etc that the bully makes >> >> >>> > about their target is actually an admission or revelation >> >> >>> > about themselves. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> That was a great general description of PETA and its membership. >> >> >> >> >> >> You're still doing it.. >> >> > >> >> > I'd have to say the role of bully is being played by PETA. It's >> >> > really none of PETA's business (headquartered in the US) to >> >> > interfere in the affairs of the sovereign nation of Canada. If >> >> > anyone finds sealing objectionable, simply refrain from buying the >> >> > products. If there wasn't any market for seal products there >> >> > wouldnt be a hunt, except perhaps a cull to help Canada's over >> >> > exploited cod fishery to recover. >> >> >> >> Well said. I wonder what interest 'pearl' from the UK actually has >> >> in the issue. At least Karen Gordon is Canadian. >> > >> >I care about the seals and the environment. Duh. >> >> You probably do care about seals and the environment. >> >> Sadly you are a vegetarian. The demand by folks who eat ceral crops >> and vegetables has decimated wildlife habitat. The energy and water >> used for irrigation alone is a major environmental disaster. >> Maybe you are part of the problem? > >'Livestock a major threat to environment >.. >Livestock now use 30 percent of the earth's entire land surface, mostly >permanent pasture but also including 33 percent of the global arable land >used to producing feed for livestock, the report notes. As forests are >cleared to create new pastures, it is a major driver of deforestation, >especially in Latin America where, for example, some 70 percent of >former forests in the Amazon have been turned over to grazing. You are right, the goat, and the plow are the biggest threat to wildlife in the world. The plow more so because it destroys the natural flora completely and replaces it with a monoculture that can NOT be utilized by the wildlife that formerly used that land. Cultivation causes dreadful habitat destruction, far more than livestock ever did. Shove that in your bowl and eat it Ms Vegan! take the � out of 10x(a)telu�s.net to email me
From: Chom Noamsky on 14 Mar 2007 12:00
><10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message >news:n7pfv2582lapdvrcbju55ninf86mscla8v(a)4ax.com... >>"Tsekung asked, Is there one word that can serve as a principle of >>conduct for life? Confucius replied, It is the word shu -- reciprocity: >>Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you." >>- Confucianism. Analects 15.23 > > What has this got to do with earning a living and survival? pearl's philosophy is no killing unless it's absolutely necessary for survival. She believes she has no personal impact on the natural world and the wildlife, therefore feels righteous to condemn others for their actions. The only way a person could possibly adhere to what these fanatics believe is to strip naked and go live with the apes. |