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From: 10x on 13 Mar 2007 12:15 On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:59:09 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote: ><10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:mllbv216b5bqcmbf64nrlci0vlf30poom3(a)4ax.com... >> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:53:10 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> >> wrote: >> >> ><10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:im58v21keb9fhg0f0s1334e77kglgu4gev(a)4ax.com... >> >> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:07:11 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >'Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate >> >> >for all stages of the lifecycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, >> >> >infancy, childhood and adolescence. Appropriately planned vegetarian >> >> >diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate and provide health benefits in >> >> >the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.' These 'certain >> >> >diseases' are the killer epidemics of today - heart disease, strokes, >> >> >cancers, diabetes etc. >> >> > >> >> >This is the view of the world's most prestigious health advisory body, >> >> >the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada, after a >> >> >review of world literature. It is backed up by the British Medical >> >> >Association: >> >> > >> >> >'Vegetarians have lower rates of obesity, coronary heart disease, >> >> >high blood pressure, large bowel disorders, cancers and gall stones.' >> >> >...' >> >> >http://www.vegetarian.org.uk/mediareleases/050221.html >> >> >> >> >> >> You should see the millions of hectares stolen from wildlife habitat >> >> so that farmers can grow food for folks who eat cerial crops and >> >> vegetables. All those animals that used that habitat are now shut out >> >> and starving. >> >> Not to mention all of the fertilizers, herbicides, and pestiticides >> >> farmers use to maximize the crops they grow to sell to vegetarians. >> >> All that stuff is poisoning the earth. Give me pristine wilderness, >> >> grubbing for roots, and eating small (and large) mammals and fish that >> >> I catch my self. I'm really into organic.... >> > >> >Non sequitur. As you've mentioned it, though.. >> > >> >'Livestock a major threat to environment >> >.. >> >Livestock now use 30 percent of the earth's entire land surface, mostly >> >permanent pasture but also including 33 percent of the global arable land >> >used to producing feed for livestock, the report notes. As forests are >> >cleared to create new pastures, it is a major driver of deforestation, >> >especially in Latin America where, for example, some 70 percent of >> >former forests in the Amazon have been turned over to grazing. >> > >> >Land and water >> > >> >At the same time herds cause wide-scale land degradation, with about >> >20 percent of pastures considered as degraded through overgrazing, >> >compaction and erosion. This figure is even higher in the drylands >> >where inappropriate policies and inadequate livestock management >> >contribute to advancing desertification. >> > >> >The livestock business is among the most damaging sectors to the >> >earth's increasingly scarce water resources, contributing among other >> >things to water pollution, euthropication and the degeneration of coral >> >reefs. The major polluting agents are animal wastes, antibiotics and >> >hormones, chemicals from tanneries, fertilizers and the pesticides used >> >to spray feed crops. Widespread overgrazing disturbs water cycles, >> >reducing replenishment of above and below ground water resources. >> >Significant amounts of water are withdrawn for the production of feed. >> > >> >Livestock are estimated to be the main inland source of phosphorous >> >and nitrogen contamination of the South China Sea, contributing to >> >biodiversity loss in marine ecosystems. >> > >> >Meat and dairy animals now account for about 20 percent of all >> >terrestrial animal biomass. Livestock's presence in vast tracts of land >> >and its demand for feed crops also contribute to biodiversity loss; >> >15 out of 24 important ecosystem services are assessed as in decline, >> >with livestock identified as a culprit. >> >... >> >http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/2006/1000448/index.html >> > >> >Impact of livestock grazing on wildlife and habitat worldwide: >> >http://www.wasteofthewest.com/Chapter6.html >> > >> >"global arable land" = "present cropland".. >> > >> >From Technological Trajectories and the Human Environment. >> >1997. Pp. 56-73. Washington, DC: National Academy Press. >> >"How Much Land Can Ten Billion People Spare for Nature?".. >> > >> >'By eating different species of crops and a more or less vegetarian >> >diet people can change the number that a plot can feed. And large >> >numbers of people do change their diets. The calories and protein >> >available from present cropland could provide a vegetarian diet to >> >ten billion people. A diet requiring food and feed totaling 6,000 >> >calories daily for ten billion people, however, would overwhelm >> >the capability of present agriculture on present cropland. The >> >global totals of sun, CO2, fertilizer, and even water could produce >> >far more food than what ten billion people need. >> >..' >> >http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=4767&page=56 >> >> >> And growing crops and vegetables is also a major threat to the >> environment. > >'Surveys by the ministry of agriculture and the British Trust >for Ornithology have shown the beneficial effects of organic >farming on wildlife. It's not difficult to see why: the pesticides >used in intensive agriculture kill many soil organisms, insects >and other larger species. They also kill plants considered to >be weeds. That means fewer food sources available for other >animals, birds and beneficial insects and it also destroys many >of their habitats. >http://www.soilassociation.org/web/sa/saweb.nsf/Farming/benefits.html > >'The independent research quoted in this report found substantially >greater levels of both abundance and diversity of species on the >organic farms, as outlined below: >- Plants: Five times as many wild plants in arable fields, 57% more >species, and several rare and declining wild arable species found >only on organic farms. >- Birds: 25% more birds at the field edge, 44% more in-field in >autumn/winter; 2.2 times as many breeding skylarks and higher >skylark breeding rates. >- Invertebrates: 1.6 times as many of the arthropods that comprise >bird food; three times as many non-pest butterflies in the crop areas; >one to five times as many spider numbers and one to two times as >many spider species. >- Crop pests: Significant decrease in aphid numbers; no change in >numbers of pest butterflies. >- Distribution of the biodiversity benefits: Though the field boundaries >had the highest levels of wildlife, the highest increases were found >in the cropped areas of the fields. >- Quality of the habitats: Both the field boundary and crop habitats >were more favourable on the organic farms. The field boundaries >had more trees, larger hedges and no spray drift. >..' >http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/pn48/pn48p15b.htm Too bad it is not economically viable for farmers to use organic methods in most of Canada. Farming is a business and the objective is to maximize the profits so that the farme doesn't go bankrupt. >> Livestock utilize land that can not be used for vegetables and crops. > >Don't they just. Arable land too. You may find it strange but livestock shares the habatit with the wildlife, and grazing allows many native plant species to grow where if it were cropland it would be a monoculture. Not to mention that in order to keep grazing lands productive they have to be managed. That management includes leaving enough food for wildlife. take the � out of 10x(a)telu�s.net to email me
From: 10x on 13 Mar 2007 12:18 On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:06:30 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote: >"Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message news:y0hJh.38687$lY6.20732(a)edtnps90... >> > "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message >> > news:et3pe6$v67$1(a)reader01.news.esat.net... > >> > Omnivores are carnivorous. Where are meat-eating adaptations? >> >> The brain. > >'Anthropologies 'Man The Hunter' concept is still used as a >reason for justifying the consumption of animal flesh as food. >This has even extended as far as suggesting that animal foods >have enabled or caused human brain enlargement. It is man, the hunter gatherer. Humans utilized every food source they could in the past. There are some places in the world where even rodents are considered for the menu, along with all the edible plant species.. take the � out of 10x(a)telu�s.net to email me
From: 10x on 13 Mar 2007 12:22 On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:52:15 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote: ><10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:uolbv2lnokb4drf977433at9rnl2n1k03j(a)4ax.com... >> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:52:44 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> >> wrote: >> >> ><10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:hs58v25csg5buka3gca337btdtom9hqdmk(a)4ax.com... >> >> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:13:58 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >"Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message news:poKIh.62334$Du6.57729(a)edtnps82... >> >> >> "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message >> >> >> news:esvh94$7h0$1(a)reader01.news.esat.net... >> >> >> > "Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message >> >> >> > news:_IHIh.62302$Du6.38382(a)edtnps82... >> >> >> >> > "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message >> >> >> >> > news:esvf0i$6lg$1(a)reader01.news.esat.net... >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > 'Bullies project their inadequacies, shortcomings, behaviours >> >> >> >> > etc on to other people to avoid facing up to their inadequacy >> >> >> >> > and doing something about it (learning about oneself can be >> >> >> >> > painful), and to distract and divert attention away from >> >> >> >> > themselves and their inadequacies. Projection is achieved >> >> >> >> > through blame, criticism and allegation; once you realise this, >> >> >> >> > every criticism, allegation etc that the bully makes about their >> >> >> >> > target is actually an admission or revelation about themselves. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> That was a great general description of PETA and its membership. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > You're still doing it.. >> >> >> >> >> >> I'd have to say the role of bully is being played by PETA. It's really none >> >> >> of PETA's business (headquartered in the US) to interfere in the affairs of >> >> >> the sovereign nation of Canada. If anyone finds sealing objectionable, >> >> >> simply refrain from buying the products. If there wasn't any market for >> >> >> seal products there wouldnt be a hunt, except perhaps a cull to help >> >> >> Canada's over exploited cod fishery to recover. >> >> > >> >> >The seals do not belong to you. Put your own house in order. >> >> >> >> Nor do the seals belong to you or any animal rights group. >> >> The seals are there for those that need to eat them. That includes >> >> marine predators, and non marine predators. They are part of the food >> >> chain. You are claiming that man can not eat them but killer whales, >> >> sharks, and polar bears can? You are claiming that these wild >> >> predators are some how more mercifull than man? >> > >> >Stop pretending that this slaughter is about real need and survival. >> >> So if the "slaugter" is stopped how do these folks get enough money to >> survive? WHat replaces the seal meat? > >Three things have been suggested: a. continue to receive state >welfare payments for those two weeeks, b. eco-tourism, and, >c. collecting seal pups' moulting white fur for warm bedding. I would strongly suggest those opposed to the seal hunt contribute their disposable income towards the welfare of the seal hunters so they don't have to kill seals for income. As for ecotourism, that is laugable. Would you pay several thousand dollars a day to pet a baby seal and risk getting bitten? There isn't a market for this is there? How does one collect the white fur from the moultling seal pups? take the � out of 10x(a)telu�s.net to email me
From: 10x on 13 Mar 2007 12:23 On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:14 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote: >"Nobody" <not(a)home.anymore> wrote in message news:Xns98F1C1FEBA9331v2rt(a)204.153.245.131... >> pearl wrote: >> >> > 'Most of the meat is wasted and left on the ice. Some if it is >> > sold to fur farms and some is ground up into animal feed. A >> > few thousand seal flippers are sold for human consumption in >> > Newfoundland. There is also a growing black market demand >> > for the seal penis bone in the Far East as some sort of voodoo >> > quack remedy for impotence. >> >> You STILL haven't come up with any valid source for that. > >You STILL haven't refuted it. > >> > http://www.harpseals.org/hunt/faqs.html >> >> You post information fron an activist site that supports YOUR view. >> Not too clever are you? I gave you a site to check but you seem either >> too scared or too lazy to check it out. > >'ad hominem abusive: instead of attacking an assertion, attacking >the person who made the assertion. >..' >http://www.mdpme.com/FALLACY5.HTM > >Support your claim, if you're gonna, if you can. You can't. > >> >> Harvesting wildlife is the least environmentally damaging way to >> >> get food. >> >> Enough said. > >It's BS. Prove that it is BS! take the � out of 10x(a)telu�s.net to email me
From: pearl on 13 Mar 2007 12:28
<10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:cqfdv2l4qdgp8su4gn873cqvvo05ujkbnn(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:00:46 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> > wrote: > > ><10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:phlbv29ppf723or9qebur7nvfaf6itc4ug(a)4ax.com... > >> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:53:36 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> > >> wrote: > >> > >> ><10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:rk58v2ph2vkmn7t9b9une3ia7d66638trl(a)4ax.com... > >> >> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:02:24 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >"Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message news:cNKIh.62340$Du6.1198(a)edtnps82... > >> >> >> "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message > >> >> >> news:esvdt6$67m$1(a)reader01.news.esat.net... > >> >> >> > "Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message > >> >> >> > news:uwDIh.62113$Du6.116(a)edtnps82... > >> >.. > >> >> >> >> It's perfectly ethical, legal, humane, moral, and sustainable to harvest > >> >> >> >> seals for fur and meat. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > It is none of the above. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> That certainly was a compelling argument. > >> >> > > >> >> >If there is absolute necessity (for survival), it may be justifiable. > >> >> > > >> >> >This isn't. > >> >> > >> >> Could you please show some data to prove your statement. > >> >> > >> >> If folks stop producing food, then what do they eat? > >> > > >> >'Most of the meat is wasted and left on the ice. Some if it is > >> >sold to fur farms and some is ground up into animal feed. A > >> >few thousand seal flippers are sold for human consumption in > >> >Newfoundland. There is also a growing black market demand > >> >for the seal penis bone in the Far East as some sort of voodoo > >> >quack remedy for impotence. > >> >...' > >> >http://www.harpseals.org/hunt/faqs.html > >> > > >> > >> I'm sorry, that is as somewhat vitriolic and biased website. > > > >Not a valid argument. Show otherwise. > > Compared to what is published by the department of Fisheries and > Oceans the information on that site does not reflect reality. This? 'Seals have been hunted for food, fuel, shelter, fur and other products for hundreds of years. DFO is no longer involved in product support or promotion activities, but the department does encourage the fullest possible commercial use of seals. Seal products consist of leather, oil, handicrafts, and meat for human and animal consumption as well as seal oil capsules rich in Omega-3." http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/seal-phoque/faq_e.htm I don't see "all of the meat..", or even "most of the meat.."? Here neither: http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/seal-phoque/reports-rapports/facts-faits/factsheet_e.htm Do you? 'There are few indigenous peoples involved in the commercial seal "hunt". Inuit or Native people in the North hunt mostly in the arctic and primarily ringed seals. Most of the sealers in the Gulf of St.Lawrence are residents of the Magdalen Islands of Quebec. These are French speaking people. Most of the sealers of the Newfoundland Front are descendents of the European immigrants. There are about 4500 Inuit in Newfoundland. ..... ....' http://www.harpseals.org/hunt/faqs.html |