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From: 10x on 12 Mar 2007 19:37 On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:53:36 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote: ><10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:rk58v2ph2vkmn7t9b9une3ia7d66638trl(a)4ax.com... >> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:02:24 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> >> wrote: >> >> >"Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message news:cNKIh.62340$Du6.1198(a)edtnps82... >> >> "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message >> >> news:esvdt6$67m$1(a)reader01.news.esat.net... >> >> > "Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message >> >> > news:uwDIh.62113$Du6.116(a)edtnps82... >.. >> >> >> It's perfectly ethical, legal, humane, moral, and sustainable to harvest >> >> >> seals for fur and meat. >> >> > >> >> > It is none of the above. >> >> >> >> That certainly was a compelling argument. >> > >> >If there is absolute necessity (for survival), it may be justifiable. >> > >> >This isn't. >> >> Could you please show some data to prove your statement. >> >> If folks stop producing food, then what do they eat? > >'Most of the meat is wasted and left on the ice. Some if it is >sold to fur farms and some is ground up into animal feed. A >few thousand seal flippers are sold for human consumption in >Newfoundland. There is also a growing black market demand >for the seal penis bone in the Far East as some sort of voodoo >quack remedy for impotence. >...' >http://www.harpseals.org/hunt/faqs.html > I'm sorry, that is as somewhat vitriolic and biased website. take the � out of 10x(a)telu�s.net to email me
From: 10x on 12 Mar 2007 19:38 On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:53:10 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote: ><10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:im58v21keb9fhg0f0s1334e77kglgu4gev(a)4ax.com... >> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:07:11 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> >> wrote: >> >> >'Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate >> >for all stages of the lifecycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, >> >infancy, childhood and adolescence. Appropriately planned vegetarian >> >diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate and provide health benefits in >> >the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.' These 'certain >> >diseases' are the killer epidemics of today - heart disease, strokes, >> >cancers, diabetes etc. >> > >> >This is the view of the world's most prestigious health advisory body, >> >the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada, after a >> >review of world literature. It is backed up by the British Medical >> >Association: >> > >> >'Vegetarians have lower rates of obesity, coronary heart disease, >> >high blood pressure, large bowel disorders, cancers and gall stones.' >> >...' >> >http://www.vegetarian.org.uk/mediareleases/050221.html >> >> >> You should see the millions of hectares stolen from wildlife habitat >> so that farmers can grow food for folks who eat cerial crops and >> vegetables. All those animals that used that habitat are now shut out >> and starving. >> Not to mention all of the fertilizers, herbicides, and pestiticides >> farmers use to maximize the crops they grow to sell to vegetarians. >> All that stuff is poisoning the earth. Give me pristine wilderness, >> grubbing for roots, and eating small (and large) mammals and fish that >> I catch my self. I'm really into organic.... > >Non sequitur. As you've mentioned it, though.. > >'Livestock a major threat to environment >.. >Livestock now use 30 percent of the earth's entire land surface, mostly >permanent pasture but also including 33 percent of the global arable land >used to producing feed for livestock, the report notes. As forests are >cleared to create new pastures, it is a major driver of deforestation, >especially in Latin America where, for example, some 70 percent of >former forests in the Amazon have been turned over to grazing. > >Land and water > >At the same time herds cause wide-scale land degradation, with about >20 percent of pastures considered as degraded through overgrazing, >compaction and erosion. This figure is even higher in the drylands >where inappropriate policies and inadequate livestock management >contribute to advancing desertification. > >The livestock business is among the most damaging sectors to the >earth's increasingly scarce water resources, contributing among other >things to water pollution, euthropication and the degeneration of coral >reefs. The major polluting agents are animal wastes, antibiotics and >hormones, chemicals from tanneries, fertilizers and the pesticides used >to spray feed crops. Widespread overgrazing disturbs water cycles, >reducing replenishment of above and below ground water resources. >Significant amounts of water are withdrawn for the production of feed. > >Livestock are estimated to be the main inland source of phosphorous >and nitrogen contamination of the South China Sea, contributing to >biodiversity loss in marine ecosystems. > >Meat and dairy animals now account for about 20 percent of all >terrestrial animal biomass. Livestock's presence in vast tracts of land >and its demand for feed crops also contribute to biodiversity loss; >15 out of 24 important ecosystem services are assessed as in decline, >with livestock identified as a culprit. >... >http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/2006/1000448/index.html > >Impact of livestock grazing on wildlife and habitat worldwide: >http://www.wasteofthewest.com/Chapter6.html > >"global arable land" = "present cropland".. > >From Technological Trajectories and the Human Environment. >1997. Pp. 56-73. Washington, DC: National Academy Press. >"How Much Land Can Ten Billion People Spare for Nature?".. > >'By eating different species of crops and a more or less vegetarian >diet people can change the number that a plot can feed. And large >numbers of people do change their diets. The calories and protein >available from present cropland could provide a vegetarian diet to >ten billion people. A diet requiring food and feed totaling 6,000 >calories daily for ten billion people, however, would overwhelm >the capability of present agriculture on present cropland. The >global totals of sun, CO2, fertilizer, and even water could produce >far more food than what ten billion people need. >..' >http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=4767&page=56 And growing crops and vegetables is also a major threat to the environment. Livestock utilize land that can not be used for vegetables and crops. take the � out of 10x(a)telu�s.net to email me
From: 10x on 12 Mar 2007 19:40 On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:52:44 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote: ><10x(a)telu�s.net> wrote in message news:hs58v25csg5buka3gca337btdtom9hqdmk(a)4ax.com... >> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:13:58 -0000, "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> >> wrote: >> >> >"Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message news:poKIh.62334$Du6.57729(a)edtnps82... >> >> "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message >> >> news:esvh94$7h0$1(a)reader01.news.esat.net... >> >> > "Chom Noamsky" <e(a)t.me> wrote in message >> >> > news:_IHIh.62302$Du6.38382(a)edtnps82... >> >> >> > "pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in message >> >> >> > news:esvf0i$6lg$1(a)reader01.news.esat.net... >> >> > >> >> >> > 'Bullies project their inadequacies, shortcomings, behaviours >> >> >> > etc on to other people to avoid facing up to their inadequacy >> >> >> > and doing something about it (learning about oneself can be >> >> >> > painful), and to distract and divert attention away from >> >> >> > themselves and their inadequacies. Projection is achieved >> >> >> > through blame, criticism and allegation; once you realise this, >> >> >> > every criticism, allegation etc that the bully makes about their >> >> >> > target is actually an admission or revelation about themselves. >> >> >> >> >> >> That was a great general description of PETA and its membership. >> >> > >> >> > You're still doing it.. >> >> >> >> I'd have to say the role of bully is being played by PETA. It's really none >> >> of PETA's business (headquartered in the US) to interfere in the affairs of >> >> the sovereign nation of Canada. If anyone finds sealing objectionable, >> >> simply refrain from buying the products. If there wasn't any market for >> >> seal products there wouldnt be a hunt, except perhaps a cull to help >> >> Canada's over exploited cod fishery to recover. >> > >> >The seals do not belong to you. Put your own house in order. >> >> Nor do the seals belong to you or any animal rights group. >> The seals are there for those that need to eat them. That includes >> marine predators, and non marine predators. They are part of the food >> chain. You are claiming that man can not eat them but killer whales, >> sharks, and polar bears can? You are claiming that these wild >> predators are some how more mercifull than man? > >Stop pretending that this slaughter is about real need and survival. So if the "slaugter" is stopped how do these folks get enough money to survive? WHat replaces the seal meat? take the � out of 10x(a)telu�s.net to email me
From: Ian MacLure on 13 Mar 2007 00:54 10x(a)telu�s.net wrote in news:0f68v2t2qkt6c96n64ap37uvbrc6ik4brs(a)4ax.com: > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:36:49 -0400, William Holt <billholt5(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>Ian MacLure ibm(a)svpal.org said: >>> How dare you try to impose your cultural values on >>> Kanuckistan. The al-Qanadians have the same right to >>> their practices that any third world yahoo has. >>> >>Spoken like another slobbering Bush worshipper from Moronica where most >>Americans die of heart attacks before they turn 60 and the average >>11-year-old tips the scales at 250 Lbs and murdering their fellow >>Moronicans with hand guns is a popular blood sport. > > Sounds like Toronto.... Some of those restaurants in Chinatown by Spadina are more than your life is worth. I mean ankle on in for a meal and next thing ya know there's some Kung Fool hosing the place down with a sub- machine gun. IBM
From: Ian MacLure on 13 Mar 2007 00:56
"pearl" <tea(a)signguestbook.ie> wrote in news:et0sac$poe$1(a)reader01.news.esat.net: > "Ian MacLure" <ibm(a)svpal.org> wrote in message > news:Xns98EFBEF0556B2ibmsvpalorg(a)216.196.97.131... >> >> How dare you try to impose your cultural values on >> Kanuckistan. The al-Qanadians have the same right to >> their practices that any third world yahoo has. > > How dare you try to impose your 'cultural values' on seals. Anthromorphizing piece of walrus poo. Seals have no culture! Well they have more than Quebec but that ain't sayin' much. ibm |