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From: Peter Larsen on 8 Jun 2008 03:01 Chris Hogg wrote: > According to the May-June issue of 'Balance', the Diabetes UK > magazine, "the number of heart attacks in people with Type 2 diabetes > has doubled in the last ten years". This comes from research presented > at the Diabetes UK Annual Professional Conference in March. RANT_begin Heart attack is a consequence of untreated type2. So what they say is that they have reduced the gross malpractice (not detecting type2 is imo gross malpractice) rate to half of what it previously was. Examples: man, age 84, collapses in his living room, has been a heart patient for 20+ years. At the hospital they find the highest blood glucose reading they had ever seen in a not yet dead person. man, 60-ties, gets an operation for diabetic eye disese prior to them finally determining that he has a type2. man, late 50-ties, almost from dehydration because of lack of advice with the metformin prescription, blood pressure patient for 15+ years, heart patient for 2 years. me, mid fifties, only got metformin after asking my gp why he treated the blood pressure but not the known type2 that is the cause of the blood pressure problem. A blood test printout later revealed to me that Hbalc had been at 8+ without causing him to take action. Now he is happy with at 7.1 and refuses Byetta becuase it is "experimental". As is Glucophage SR ... the stuff that my brother should have had prescribed when they wanted him to start on a large dosage immediately. But here in Denmark is not not yet approved for use .... The procedure seems to be to first let'm get the side effects, then treat the side effects, and only then - if the side effects don't kille them - to treat the type2 instead of what would be cheaper: proactively prescribing metformin while it is still just "metabolic syncrome". RANT_end. Kind regards Peter Larsen
From: Nick Cramer on 8 Jun 2008 05:09 "Peter Larsen" <digilyd(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Chris Hogg wrote: > [ . . . ] > The procedure seems to be to first let'm get the side effects, then treat > the side effects, and only then - if the side effects don't kille them - > to treat the type2 instead of what would be cheaper: proactively > prescribing metformin while it is still just "metabolic syncrome". Sorry, Peter. That really sucks! No free lunch, eh? -- Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~
From: Trinkwasser on 10 Jun 2008 13:38 On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 08:01:01 +0100, "Peter Larsen" <digilyd(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Chris Hogg wrote: > >> According to the May-June issue of 'Balance', the Diabetes UK >> magazine, "the number of heart attacks in people with Type 2 diabetes >> has doubled in the last ten years". This comes from research presented >> at the Diabetes UK Annual Professional Conference in March. > >RANT_begin > >Heart attack is a consequence of untreated type2. So what they say is that >they have reduced the gross malpractice (not detecting type2 is imo gross >malpractice) rate to half of what it previously was. > >Examples: > >man, age 84, collapses in his living room, has been a heart patient for 20+ >years. At the hospital they find the highest blood glucose reading they had >ever seen in a not yet dead person. > >man, 60-ties, gets an operation for diabetic eye disese prior to them >finally determining that he has a type2. > >man, late 50-ties, almost from dehydration because of lack of advice with >the metformin prescription, blood pressure patient for 15+ years, heart >patient for 2 years. > >me, mid fifties, only got metformin after asking my gp why he treated the >blood pressure but not the known type2 that is the cause of the blood >pressure problem. A blood test printout later revealed to me that Hbalc had >been at 8+ without causing him to take action. Now he is happy with at 7.1 >and refuses Byetta becuase it is "experimental". As is Glucophage SR ... the >stuff that my brother should have had prescribed when they wanted him to >start on a large dosage immediately. But here in Denmark is not not yet >approved for use .... How remarkably disappointing, somehow one gets the impression that Denmark is comparatively sensible. Obviously not. :( >The procedure seems to be to first let'm get the side effects, then treat >the side effects, and only then - if the side effects don't kille them - to >treat the type2 instead of what would be cheaper: proactively prescribing >metformin while it is still just "metabolic syncrome". > >RANT_end. "You're not diabetic yet. Come back when you are"
From: Peter Larsen on 11 Jun 2008 02:34 Trinkwasser wrote: > How remarkably disappointing, somehow one gets the impression that > Denmark is comparatively sensible. Obviously not. :( Our medical system has a couple of ailments ... one is that we still suffer the consequences from cutbacks on medical education in the 1980-ties. > "You're not diabetic yet. Come back when you are" Yerp, the political correctness attitude of not wanting to let type2's feel that they are sick. Kind regards Peter Larsen
From: Trinkwasser on 12 Jun 2008 12:29
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:34:44 +0100, "Peter Larsen" <digilyd(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Trinkwasser wrote: > >> How remarkably disappointing, somehow one gets the impression that >> Denmark is comparatively sensible. Obviously not. :( > >Our medical system has a couple of ailments ... one is that we still suffer >the consequences from cutbacks on medical education in the 1980-ties. > >> "You're not diabetic yet. Come back when you are" > >Yerp, the political correctness attitude of not wanting to let type2's feel >that they are sick. "He had a heart attack and died, lucky we didn't tell him he was diabetic" <snort> |