From: Mark Probert on
JanD(elusions) wrote:
> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:3pInf.14747$O05.6935(a)fe09.lga...
>
>>JanD wrote:
>>
>>>"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>>news:bAAnf.8078$Kf4.6250(a)fe08.lga...
>>>
>>>
>>>>alexr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Read... compared...applied... Can't come to a different from
>>>>>al-Bayatis's conclusion.
>>>>
>>>>I can only lead you to a clue, but I cannot make you think. You spent all
>>>>of 16 minutes....
>>>>
>>>>I'll give you a hist..(sic).al-Bayati says that EJ could not have had
>>>>pneumonia, since pneumonia requires that there be consolidation in the
>>>>lungs...and the M/E said there was none...
>>>>
>>>>The M/E's report, however, specifically states that there was lung
>>>>consolidation.
>>>>
>>>>Thus, since lung consolidation is a marker for pneumonia (according to
>>>>al-Bayati), she had pneumonia, as suspected by her pediatrician days
>>>>prior to her death.
>>>>
>>>>There are many other inconsistencies in al-Bayati's report. I suggest you
>>>>begin reading some of the medical blogs. Start with:
>>>>
>>>>http://oracLIES
>>>>
>>>>and follow all LIES.
>>
>>JanD(honestly) changed LINK to LIES.
>>
>>
>>>He LIES for Mark Probert.
>
> Which is a proven fact.

Only in Jan's delusions.

>>Mark has to trash anyone who proves him wrong, as he is incapable of
>>intelligent discussion.

JanD(eceptively) changed the quote to reflect my name, since she knows
that I was correct when I posted this:

Jan has to trash anyone who proves her wrong, as she is incapable of
intelligent discussion. However, I will try it...

She also snipped this:

Jan, even you can read portions of al-Bayati's report and find that
portion pertaining to lung consolodation. Now, take his words and read
the M/E's report. al-Bayati clearly states that there was NO lung
consolodation, while the M/E's report says there was.

Was al-Bayati lying when he said there was none, or was he merely
mistaken? There is no third choice, except to ignore the question.

Which is now answered because Jan ignored the question, as I pointed
out. Jan is not able to refute what I have stated, and that is because
she knows I am correct. Instead, she attempts to trash the doctor whose
only function was to signd off on the coronor's report. This is clearly
a diversion on her part, as she is afraid of the truth.

Here is her diversion:

> He also is incapable of answering questions.
>
> And it is well know WHY!
>
> http://www.justiceforej.com/ribeflipflops.html
>
>
>
> Los Angeles County Deputy Coroner James K. Ribe has a long, disturbing
> history of medical misjudgments and reversals of opinion that have subjected
> innocent people to miscarriages of justice, especially wrongful murder
> convictions. Because his tendentious testimony overwhelmingly favors the
> prosecution, however, he has been protected by the Los Angeles County
> District Attorney's Office, which has hidden Ribe's incompetence and bias
> from everyone, including defense attorneys and even deputy district
> attorneys
>
>
>
>
>>Yes, it is hard for you to understand someone who learns additional facts
>>and realizes that he needs to revise his opinion.
>
>
>
> No, it is clear as a bell.
>
> Disturbingly, if not shockingly, Ribe apparently regards such intellectual
> ambivalence as progressive and laudatory. In actuality, Ribe's belated
> remolding of medical findings reflects a lack of objectivity and
> reliability. Post-autopsy changes in medical observations based upon
> evidence presented by third parties are very likely to be biased by the
> information presented by those third parties. As the examples below
> demonstrate, the transmutations in Ribe's forensic impressions tend to bend
> toward the will of the prosecution. Note that each of these examples is
> referenced from newspaper articles instead of legal citations because the
> D.A. and court system have been completely remiss in dealing with issues
> such as the Ribe problem, where the goal of the prosecution and its
> witnesses is simply to convict at any cost, irrespective of justice or the
> presumption of innocence.
>
>
> Which part of that, do YOU not understand?
>
>
> Item 5: Jacobo/Vildosola. Ribe's negligence-if not venality-was responsible
> for the 1997 wrongful murder convictions of William Jacobo, Jr. and Patricia
> Inez Vildosola of Monterey Park after the sudden death of their
> twenty-month-old baby Destiny. Ribe contended Destiny was the victim of
> "Shaken Baby Syndrome"-a controversial if not fallacious diagnosis based
> upon damage to and hemorrhaging of the brain. Yet Ribe did not provide
> crucial "contre-coup" brain matter to Los Angeles County's chief
> neuropathologist, Dr. Hideo H. Itabashi; nor did he present the brain tissue
> at trial. Evidently, Ribe destroyed or concealed the purported "contre-coup"
> material because it was exculpatory, and he wanted to ensure a successful
> prosecution. Ribe also withheld evidence that Destiny was suffering from
> pneumonia and other medical problems, and that she was fatally mistreated in
> the Emergency Room of Santa Marta Hospital by Joseph Boggs, a doctor with a
> suspended medical license whose licensesure was never reinstated. The
> principal cause of Destiny's death was pneumothorax, the consequence of
> overaggressive cardiopulmonary resuscitation by Boggs. Although Destiny was
> dying of acute respiratory distress syndrome caused by the pneumothorax,
> Boggs transferred Destiny out of Santa Marta to another hospital eighteen
> (18) miles away in order to hide his malpractice. Mr. Jacobo was exonerated
> and released after spending five long years in state penitentiaries, but Ms.
> Vildosola, who is equally innocent, remains incarcerated for life.
>
>
> Items 1-5 above are presented as concise examples for illustrative purposes
> only, and should not be regarded as an exhaustive litany, or as a complete
> accounting of all instances of Dr. Ribe's forensic and testimonial
> unreliability.
>
>
> The Appellate Court expressed its concern about Ribe's indecisiveness as
> follows:
>
>
> "Had this Court been informed of [Coroner Ribe's] prior changes of
> opinion, it would have ordered additional disclosure if requested and
> allowed further defense inquiry on cross examination. Moreover, knowledge of
> the change of opinion would likely have led any defense counsel to have
> known to ask for more specific information, as opposed to a general,
> informal discovery letter on other Ribe cases. Such discovery might have
> shown such a pattern as has resulted in the so called 'Ribe box' of
> discovery, or additional, other, expert testimony." Salazar, 110 Cal.App.4th
> at 1634, 3 Cal.Rptr.3rd at 275.
>
>
> Likewise, in the trial of Ms. Vildosola, if the prosecution had made
> information about Ribe's dubious credibility and forensic irresoluteness
> available to the court and defense attorneys, there is a strong likelihood
> that Patricia would have been properly exonerated of all charges.
>
>
> The extent of Deputy Coroner Ribe's history of unreliability, vacillation,
> and bias may never be fully determined. (Jean Guccione, County Reviews
> Doctor's Trial Testimony. Reversals of verdicts prompt public defender to
> look at proceedings involving a deputy coroner known for changing his
> findings, LOS ANGELES TIMES, August 27, 2003, at p. B.4. See also Jean
> Guccione, Child-Murder Conviction Tossed. L.A. Coroner's Credibility Cited,
> LOS ANGELES TIMES, August 23, 2003, at p. B.1.)
>
>
> Moreover, the district attorney's office continues to conceal information
> about Ribe's inconsistencies, and its lack of confidence in Ribe's
> credibility. (David Watson, Court Rules Withheld Evidence Requires Reversal
> in Child's Death, METROPOLITAN NEWS ENTERPRISE (Los Angeles, California),
> August 6, 2003, at p. 1)
>
>
> All cases for which Ribe testified may be tainted, and should be reopened
> immediately by the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office. (Katherine
> Gaidos, Ruling Bashes DA for Hiding Witness's Flaws, LOS ANGELES DAILY
> JOURNAL, August 25, 2003 Vol. 116, No. 164, at pp. 1ff.
>
>
> Furthermore, a federal investigation may be needed in order to determine the
> extent and impact of Ribe's improprieties. (Jim Crogan, Web of Deceit:
> Murder conviction overturned because D.A. withheld evidence, LA WEEKLY,
> August 15-21, 2003)
>
>
> WHY, OH WHY is this man STILL the Coroner?!?!
>
>
> Another Dr. Wilson?
>
>
>
>
>>BTW, this attorney has probably lost a few cases where Dr. Ribe has
>>testified.
>
>
>
> That's all you have to say??????
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>
>
From: Mark Probert on
JanD wrote:
> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:qtInf.14749$O05.10135(a)fe09.lga...
>
>>JanD wrote:
>>
>>>"HCN" <hcn(a)nospam.com> wrote .
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>>>alexr wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Which are..? please continue Mark...
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, tell us more LIES.
>>>
>>>Right up HCN's alley!
>>>
>>>[snip organized medicine jargon]
>>
>>This is what JanD(ishonest) calls jargon:
>>
>>Did you see the updated report?
>
>
> No, and I don't care to read anything from organized medicine paid off
> member Nicky EGO driven Bennett.

Jan says that anyone who is obviously smarter than her has an EGO. She
is intellectually deprived.

The read al-Bayati's report and compare what he said the medical
examiner's report said to the actual medical examiner's report. If you
are careful, you will see that al-Bayati makes several statements as to
what the M/E's report says, and are not true as the M/E's report says
just the opposite. Since al-Bayati bases his claims on that, it is a fact.
From: Mark Probert on
JanD wrote:
> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:qtInf.14749$O05.10135(a)fe09.lga...
>
>>JanD wrote:
>>
>>>"HCN" <hcn(a)nospam.com> wrote .
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>>>alexr wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Which are..? please continue Mark...
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, tell us more LIES.
>>>
>>>Right up HCN's alley!
>>>
>>>[snip organized medicine jargon]
>>
>>This is what JanD(ishonest) calls jargon:
>>
>>Did you see the updated report?
>
>
> No, and I don't care to read anything from organized medicine paid off
> member Nicky EGO driven Bennett.

BTW, I would like to send you a new set of blinders for Hanukah. OK?
From: Mark Probert on
HCN wrote:
> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:CsInf.14748$O05.228(a)fe09.lga...
>
>>HCN wrote:
>>
>>>"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>>news:runnf.7413$Kf4.3591(a)fe08.lga...
>>>
>>>
>>>>alexr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Which are..? please continue Mark...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>http://catallarchy.net/blog/archives/2005/11/29/hiv-dissidents-continued/
>>>>
>>>>http://catallarchy.net/blog/wp-content/images/A_report_on_Eliza.pdf
>>>>
>>>>Read...al-Bayati's claims, then compare them to what the ME's report
>>>>actually says...then apply what the ME's report actually says to
>>>>al-Bayati's claims and you cannot escape the conclusion that Eliza died
>>>>of AIDS related pneumonia.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Did you see the updated report? Since he was able to read the actual
>>>coroner's report, Dr. Bennett was able to see where al-Bayati really
>>>screwed up!
>>>
>>>http://catallarchy.net/blog/wp-content/images/A_report_on_Eliza_Ver2.pdf
>>
>>Did al-Bayati think he could get away with this? I think so. He
>>understands the psychology of the JanD's of this world and knows that
>>these people will accept anything that trashes real medicine and never
>>change their minds, even when shown that the trashing was based on gross
>>misrepresentations.
>>
>>I am coming to the conclusion that JanD, Maggiore, et al, are not
>>perpetrators, but victims of a form of brain washing.
>
>
> I would have too, except that I saw Maggiore post a review of her own book
> on Amazon.com on Oct. 29th. It is like she was trying to combat the bad
> publicity that was damaging book sales.

I'll look into that.
From: cathyb on

Mark wrote:
> Her recent posts are leading me to believe that Jan really is coming
> unglued. Well, more so than in the past, let's just say. I'm really
> seeing some pathology in her posts. I mean...really. This is starting
> to get pretty creepy, especially since she knows where I work, and she
> only lives about 3 hours away. (Three and a half in an RV.)
>
> Mark, MD

The weather's lovely here in Australia...

Cathy