From: cathyb on

Peter Bowditch wrote:

> "JanD" <JanD(a)insightbb.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Rich" <joshew(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
> >news:uFpnf.6150$hI1.2846(a)tornado.socal.rr.com...
> >>
> >> "alexr" <rojkov(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1134436766.953990.247010(a)g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >>> I'd like to know what field your competence LIES in.
> >>>
> >>
> >> For your information, among Cathy's many competencies that she is too
> >> modest
> >
> >What a load of BS.
> >
> >She is Rosalind Darfield
>
> If she is really Rosalind Dalefield, then she has the same
> qualifications as Dr al-Bayati and is eminently qualified to comment
> on his work. That's what the letters "BVSc, PhD" after Rosalind's name
> mean - veterinarian with a PhD in toxicology.

And I would have saved about $400 in vet fees in the last couple of
weeks alone.

I should've listened to my careers teacher when he said it didn't
matter if I liked chemistry, I'd make a lot more money as a vet.

Of course, by that logic, I should actually have done a course in
plumbing.

Cathy


>
> http://www.dalefield.com/toxicology/index.html
>
> So, Jan, are you prepared to accept that "Rosalind" is an expert in
> this matter or are you prepared to accept that Cathy is not Rosalind?
> You can't have it both ways.
>
> >
> >One of the Ratbags Darlings.
> >
> >Rich Shewmaker doesn't care if Perter Bowditch lies to me, this newsgroup,
> >his mother, or the pope.
> >
> >He does nothing but lie, insult and belittle.
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> --Rich
> >
> --
> Peter Bowditch aa #2243
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> To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

From: Mark Probert on
JanD wrote:
> "Peter Moran" <pmoranATbordernet.com.au> wrote
>
> [snip]
>
>>"alexr" <rojkov(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1134431352.138227.33830(a)g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>To be honest I don't feel comfortable discussing her case as I am not a
>>>doctor. All I am is an individual who chooses to take matters in his
>>>own hands.
>>>
>>>If you are actually interested in medical error statistics just google
>>>it!
>>>
>>>http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/mistakes/common.htm
>>>
>>>The above site comes one of the first.
>>>
>>>There is plenty of evidence on the internet that alternative methods
>>>work and work well.
>
>
> Alexr,
>
> Allow me to clue you in to Peter Moran.
>
> He is so brainwashed, he is completely and totally dishonest.

JanD(eceiptful) never passes up an opportunity to trash anyone who
consistently proves her wrong.

>
> He writes:
>
> All medical advances have entailed risk, ever since the first caveman
>
>>said"I wonder what this berry does?".
>
>
>>Using retroviruses to try and correct lethal and potentially lethal gene
>>defects is a very legitimate and logic alavenue of medical research. So
>>this is nothing to do with "conspiracies", "coverups" .
>
>
>
>>It is a matter of the quality of informed consent that was applied. It
>>would be unusual these days for such issues to not be addressed carefully
>>by the researchers and the ethics committees to which all clinical trials
>>are submitted thesedays. We cannot know how culpable the doctors are
>>from this rather emotive news item.
>
>
> =========
>
> This has to do with a loving and caring volunteering teenager, helping
> mankind.
>
> You may have heard about it. The article is no longer available, but you can
> find it on the net.
>
> So I will post the many cover ups, the whole mess. Peter denied it all. My
> comments are added.
>
>
>
> Years earlier, a scientist just a few miles away from the Gelsinger's
>
>>home in Tucson had raised serious questions about whether the experiment
>>was safe.*
>
>
>
>> Documents
>
>
>
>> . Feb. 8, 2002: FDA letter, attempt to ban Dr. Wilson from other
>>experiments. . March 3, 2000: FDA Warning Letter, original findings about
>>the gene therapy experiment.
>
>
>
>>(No coverups there,,,,,,,,,,,,,)
>
>
>
>>The trouble is, Paul Gelsinger says, Dr. Wilson's team had never told him
>>that anyone had ever raised questions about safety
>
>
>
>>(That's fine and dandy according to organized medicine member, Peter
>>Moran.)
>
>
>
>>ADVERSE REACTIONS WERE NOT REPORTED And that was just the beginning.
>>Federal investigators, pouring through Penn's records, announced at the
>>conference that they had made a series of startling discoveries, raising
>>questions about whether the doctors had covered up problems and broken
>>basic test rules.
>
>
>
>>In fact, just a few months before Jesse had signed up for the experiment,
>>several monkeys given viruses similar to Jesse's got sick. And two of them
>>died.
>
>
>
>>(No coverup there)
>
>
>
>>The rules for the experiment said: Even if volunteers didn't get visibly
>>ill, if tests showed that any of them had a significant reaction called
>>"grade 3," the experiment was supposed to be "halted" immediately. Records
>>show there were "grade 3" reactions in more than one patient. The first
>>time, doctors stopped, called the government and got permission to
>>continue, saying an unusual condition with the patient might have been the
>>cause. The second time, they stopped, called and got permission again,
>>citing another unusual condition. But when it happened a third time, they
>>didn't stop, didn't call. Then, a fourth time. They didn't stop or call
>>then either
>
>
>
>>(No coverups there).
>
>
>
>> For their own safety, volunteers weren't supposed to have a blood
>>ammonia level higher than 50. But people were coming in with higher levels
>>and without proper approval. The limit was raised to 70. When Jesse signed
>>up over the summer, he was within the limits, but records show that when
>>Penn doctors tested him, just days before the experiment, his reading was
>>114 - more than double the original safety limit.
>
>
>
>>(That's way cool huh Peter???)
>
>
>
>>HIGH FINANCIAL STAKES With so many red flags from the monkey deaths to the
>>reactions in other volunteers, even to Jesse's own ammonia levels, Why had
>>Dr. Wilson's team allowed the experiment to continue?
>
>
>
>>(Wonder if Peter can answer this question?)
>
>
>
>> At the University of Pennsylvania, the conflict committee approved
>>Dr. Wilson's arrangement with Genovo. In fact, the university itself owned
>>a piece of his company and stood to profit, too.
>
>
>
>>(Hmmmmmmmmm).
>
>
>
>> In a statement, the university acknowledged that some information
>>"should have been shared with the FDA sooner."
>
>
>
>>(Just a minor little slip,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)
>
>
>
>>There was no information given to Jesse or his family about the monkey
>>deaths. There was no information given to Jesse or his family about toxic
>>results in prior patients. There was no information that would allow Jesse
>>and his family to make any kind of informed decision."
>
>
>
>>(Peter STILL can't see any coverup!!!! NO dishonesty!)
>
>
>
>>CONFIDENTIAL REPORTS
>
>
>
>> He told congress that other private companies in the race for cures
>>had also been doing gene therapy experiments and had also gotten adverse
>>reactions. But instead of sharing the information, government rules
>>allowed them to stamp those reactions "confidential," classifying them as
>>trade secrets to protect their research investments. So, while the
>>government knew about them, other researchers like Dr. Wilson and
>>volunteers like Jesse Gelsinger were never allowed to see them.
>
>
>
>>(TRust the government!!!)
>
>
>
>>"I was outraged," says Paul. "I had a right to know. Jesse had a right to
>>know.
>
>
>
>>(Oh my,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,emotions).
>
>
>
>>***In February, the Food and Drug Administration said that because Dr.
>>Wilson filed "false and misleading" reports and "repeatedly and
>>deliberately violated regulations ****
>
>
>
>>REPEAT FOR THE HARD HEADED!!!
>
>
>
>>***Dr. Wilson filed "false and misleading" reports and "repeatedly and
>>deliberately violated regulations ***
>
>
>
>>(No coverups,,,,,,,,,,no fraud,,,,,,,,,,no deliberate
>>violations,,,,,,,,,,,,)
>
>
>
>> This week marks the third anniversary of Jesse Gelsinger's death. At
>>the University of Pennsylvania, Dr. Wilson
>
>
>
>>****is still on the faculty****
>
>
>
>>(Soooooooooo in organized medicine,,,,,,,,,,,)
>
>
>
>>****Filing *false and misleading reports* is A OK,,,,,,,,,,,,****
>
>
>
>>****REPEATED and DELIBERATE violations,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,is A OK.***
>
>
>
>>but no longer in charge of its gene therapy program. And, in Congress,
>>lawmakers are still debating legislation to provide more protection for
>>medical volunteers.
>
>
>
>>******in the end, whether Jesse was betrayed by the doctors he and his
>>family thought they could trust.*********
>
>
>
>>Jan
>
>
>>Peter Moran
>>
>>
>>>In russia by the way there is no alternative medicine. Alternative is
>>>refered to as "Traditional". And there is "Official", that's the one
>>>that never makes any mistakes and is always right.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
From: HCN on

"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:runnf.7413$Kf4.3591(a)fe08.lga...
> alexr wrote:
>> Which are..? please continue Mark...
>>
> http://catallarchy.net/blog/archives/2005/11/29/hiv-dissidents-continued/
>
> http://catallarchy.net/blog/wp-content/images/A_report_on_Eliza.pdf
>
> Read...al-Bayati's claims, then compare them to what the ME's report
> actually says...then apply what the ME's report actually says to
> al-Bayati's claims and you cannot escape the conclusion that Eliza died of
> AIDS related pneumonia.
>

Did you see the updated report? Since he was able to read the actual
coroner's report, Dr. Bennett was able to see where al-Bayati really screwed
up!

http://catallarchy.net/blog/wp-content/images/A_report_on_Eliza_Ver2.pdf


From: alexr on
Mark,

I will much rather read books by

Sandra Cabot
http://shurl.org/uwXVA

Andreas Moritz
http://ener-chi.com/
http://shurl.org/YZxTJ
http://shurl.org/FsjNS

Richard Schulze
http://shurl.org/aTiHu

And read other forums and news groups. Preferably those that are
moderated.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/gallstones/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfood/

and so on.

You, you need to stay here making sure that people get lost in the
gobbledygook that your blog and the linked pharma blogsphere is.

I will reply to your messages however prompting people to look beyoung
the chaff.

Cheers!

From: JanD on

"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname(a)ratbags.com> wrote in message
news:u34tp1psdvh120dqo2kjh2lcra56s4kk5u(a)4ax.com...
> "JanD" <JanD(a)insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Rich" <joshew(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:uFpnf.6150$hI1.2846(a)tornado.socal.rr.com...
>>>
>>> "alexr" <rojkov(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1134436766.953990.247010(a)g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>> I'd like to know what field your competence LIES in.
>>>>
>>>
>>> For your information, among Cathy's many competencies that she is too
>>> modest
>>
>>What a load of BS.
>>
>>She is Rosalind Darfield
>
> If she is really Rosalind Dalefield, then she has the same
> qualifications as Dr al-Bayati and is eminently qualified to comment
> on his work. That's what the letters "BVSc, PhD" after Rosalind's name
> mean - veterinarian with a PhD in toxicology.
>
> http://www.dalefield.com/toxicology/index.html
>
> So, Jan, are you prepared to accept that "Rosalind" is an expert in
> this matter or are you prepared to accept that Cathy is not Rosalind?
> You can't have it both ways.
>
>>
>>One of the Ratbags Darlings.

Your answer is right there!


>>
>>Rich Shewmaker doesn't care if Perter Bowditch lies to me, this newsgroup,
>>his mother, or the pope.
>>
>>He does nothing but lie, insult and belittle.
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> --Rich
>>
> --
> Peter Bowditch
And here [snip proven LYING websites]