From: john on

"Peter Parry" <peter(a)wpp.ltd.uk> wrote in message
news:r5duj5p03g6ib705cfdbik1l0v8f5qthfl(a)4ax.com...
> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 22:44:45 -0000, "john" <nospam(a)bt.com> wrote:
>
>>"We also hear of the noble work of Father Damien among the lepers of
>>Hawaii,
>>but we are not told that there was not one leper in the whole of the
>>Hawaiian Islands before the noble work of Jenner reached them.
>
> Another unproven unverifiable claim from an unknown source by a
> peddler of quack medicine. Is this the best you have?

Study arm to arm vaccination which was 75% of vaccination in 1890.

"I should be sorry to see a leper cook, and I go further than that. In
vaccinating, I think hardly a medical man would take vaccine lymph from the
arm of a leper infant. I know it has been our practice for the last twenty
years not to do so." ---1883 Dr Henry Ebden, President of the (South
African) Medical Board

>
>>Lionel Dole
>
> Luminary of the now long defunct National Anti-Vaccination League in
> the 1960's and disciple of the unhinged Miss Lily Loat. Remind us,
> what were his qualifications and training?

You mean her, and that is ad hominem, but if you want qualifications try
Crookshank, Russell, Hadwen, etc
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/smallpox_c.html

CROOKSHANK, EDGAR MARCH, M.B. Lond. (Honours in Obst.) 1884, M.R.C.S. Eng.
1881 (King's Coll.); Exhib. and Gold Medallist in Anat. 1st M.B. Lond. 1879;
Fell. King's Coll.; Mem. Roy. Micros. Soc. and Path. Soc.; Prof, of Comp.
Path, and Bacteriol. King's Coll.; late House Surg. King's Coll. Hosp., and
Civil Surg. Med. Staff Egyptian Campaign (Medal and Clasp, Tel-el-Kebir, and
Khedive's Star). Director of the Bacteriological Laboratory, King's
College, London


From: john on

"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname(a)ratbags.com> wrote in message
>>
>>we all know scopies law but it is a logiocal fallacy dear boy. As stupid
>>as you could possibly get, and just ad hominem essentially. But that is
>>what you are reduced to when you have absolutely no argument to refute the
>>documents on whale.
>>
>
> Please explain why it is a logical fallacy.
>


you first, explain Scopies law




From: Peter Parry on
On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:35:36 -0000, "john" <nospam(a)bt.com> wrote:


>"Peter Parry" <peter(a)wpp.ltd.uk> wrote

>> Another unproven unverifiable claim from an unknown source by a
>> peddler of quack medicine. Is this the best you have?

>Study arm to arm vaccination which was 75% of vaccination in 1890.

I hate to have to break this to you but it isn't 1890 any more.

> "I should be sorry to see a leper cook, and I go further than that. In
>vaccinating, I think hardly a medical man would take vaccine lymph from the
>arm of a leper infant. I know it has been our practice for the last twenty
>years not to do so." ---1883 Dr Henry Ebden, President of the (South
>African) Medical Board

What relevance do you think this quotation, assuming it is correct,
has to today?

>> Luminary of the now long defunct National Anti-Vaccination League in
>> the 1960's and disciple of the unhinged Miss Lily Loat. Remind us,
>> what were his qualifications and training?
>
>You mean her,

I mean Dole, I know Loat had no qualifications or experience
whatsoever as she spent her life as secretary to the league.

>and and that is ad hominem,

No, it is asking for the qualifications of the person making a
quotation you are relying upon. It would be nice to see the report
mentioned but I doubt it ever existed. Victorian England had many odd
societies such as the anti vaccination league and all relied upon
hectoring pamphlets and letters to promote their cause. Very few were
noted for the accuracy of their content.

> try
>Crookshank, Russell, Hadwen, etc

Can't you find anything less than 140 years old? I realise things
like bone waggling and Homeopathy have not advanced since then but
almost everyone else has.

>CROOKSHANK, EDGAR MARCH, M.B.

Would that be the Crookshank who thought cowpox and smallpox were
quite different so advocated a more dangerous vaccine made from
smallpox instead?

Hadwen, member of the Plymouth Brethren and the London Association
for the Prevention of Premature Burial. A skilled big-game hunter and
vegetarian.known for his denial of the germ theory of disease.

All this may be of interest to students of the history of medicine but
really, is this all you have to rely upon?

From: john on

"Peter Parry" <peter(a)wpp.ltd.uk> wrote in message
>
>>Study arm to arm vaccination which was 75% of vaccination in 1890.
>
> I hate to have to break this to you but it isn't 1890 any more.

You claimed smallpox vax never spread syphilis, eg into Hawaii.

> What relevance do you think this quotation, assuming it is correct,
> has to today?

You claimed smallpox vax never spread syphilis, eg into Hawaii.


> Can't you find anything less than 140 years old? I realise things
> like bone waggling and Homeopathy have not advanced since then but
> almost everyone else has.

Oh really, still to cure anything apart from bacterial infections. And
history, annoying isn't it when it demolishes 150 years of smallpox vax, as
mass death agent. Without saving one single life from smallpox

>
>>CROOKSHANK, EDGAR MARCH, M.B.
>
> Would that be the Crookshank who thought cowpox and smallpox were
> quite different so advocated a more dangerous vaccine made from
> smallpox instead?
>
> Hadwen, member of the Plymouth Brethren and the London Association
> for the Prevention of Premature Burial. A skilled big-game hunter and
> vegetarian.known for his denial of the germ theory of disease.
>
> All this may be of interest to students of the history of medicine but
> really, is this all you have to rely upon?
>

Yes, history, annoying isn't it when it demolishes 150 years of smallpox vax


From: Peter Bowditch on
"john" <nospam(a)bt.com> wrote:

>
>"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname(a)ratbags.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>we all know scopies law but it is a logiocal fallacy dear boy. As stupid
>>>as you could possibly get, and just ad hominem essentially. But that is
>>>what you are reduced to when you have absolutely no argument to refute the
>>>documents on whale.
>>>
>>
>> Please explain why it is a logical fallacy.
>>
>
>
>you first, explain Scopies law

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Scopie's_Law

"In any discussion involving science or medicine, citing Whale.to as a
credible source loses you the argument immediately ...and gets you
laughed out of the room".

It is self-explanatory, but for those with no ability to understand
English it means that anyone citing a reference source that is known
to be highly suspect must be suspected of lacking any ability to think
for themselves, and therefore whatever they are saying can be weighted
accordingly and dismissed without further examination.


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