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From: mcs on 31 Oct 2005 22:48 I left links below. Anxiety if like a car engine running in high or at least it can be. Your body doesn't know how to react to this overflow of energy. Books about congnition is about hyped junk science which is run by deluded people who are trying to cash in on peoples misfortune. Any therapist can help , and the best ones are the ones who can offer alternative therapy, family therapy and typical freud type therapy, with a good dose of John Bradshaw thrown in. If you must read a book and anxiety stems from stress in family get any book by John Bradshaw. Jmho. Remember meds is a billion dollar industry and if I couldn't get myself to a better place I might be there. I am suggesting many people don't know how to do get to a better place without meds. .. its possible I honestly believe.
From: Vashti on 1 Nov 2005 09:22 It wasn't a dark and stormy night when mcs wrote: > I left links below. I see no links? > Anxiety if like a car engine running in high or at least > it can be. Your body doesn't know how to react to this overflow of > energy. Walking used to help me... I've heard of others exercising or cleaning. Relaxation practised regularly can lower overall anxiety levels. > Books about congnition is about hyped junk science which > is run by deluded people who are trying to cash in on peoples > misfortune. Quite a few books are just that though there are exceptions, like: - Feeling Good by David Burns - A Guide To Rational Living by Albert Ellis - The Anxiety & Phobia Workbook by Edmund J. Bourne - The I Ching(sorry, obligatory joke) Anyone remember others? I'm stuck finding the names of the father and daughter... the daughter's name was maybe Judith or at least started with a "J". > Any therapist can help , and the best ones are the ones who can > offer alternative therapy, family therapy and typical freud type > therapy, with a good dose of John Bradshaw thrown in. Why Freud and what do you consider an alternative therapist? > If you must read a book and anxiety stems from stress in family > get any book by John Bradshaw. Jmho. Remember meds is a billion > dollar industry and if I couldn't get myself to a better place I > might be there. I am suggesting many people don't know how to do > get to a better place without meds. .. its possible I honestly > believe. Your anxiety may be completely different from another's, some people *will* need meds and others can do without them using CBT. Instead of emailing someone for one set of advice on anxiety I think it's better to post and get advice from more people. JMO. Vashti
From: Vashti on 1 Nov 2005 15:44 It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Vashti wrote: > Quite a few books are just that though there are exceptions, like: > - Feeling Good by David Burns > - A Guide To Rational Living by Albert Ellis > - The Anxiety & Phobia Workbook by Edmund J. Bourne > - The I Ching(sorry, obligatory joke) > > Anyone remember others? I'm stuck finding the names of the father > and daughter... the daughter's name was maybe Judith or at least > started with a "J". Aaron Beck and Judith Beck... does that sound right? I stopped trying to remember and these came out. Vashti
From: Vashti on 1 Nov 2005 16:13 It wasn't a dark and stormy night when mcs wrote: > the whole scheme or theme about cognitive therapy is to restate > the obvious and do it in a way that is packaged differently. If it were obvious then people wouldn't be suffering anxiety or depression and would be a whole lot more reasonable, don't you think? Ok, maybe there are some practising their "own" kind of therapy based on the CBT/REBT concepts but that doesn't detract from the basic concepts surely? > The main point though is , neither traditional therapy and meds or > cognitive therapy and or meds is any good without taking > everything into effect. The idea about doing this the fastest or > applying this therapy without covering all the bases is where I > have a problem with cognitive therapy. If the therapist isn't covering all the bases that are causing difficulties they're doing something wrong. > I went over why I didn't think they emphasized the most important > parts. No you didn't... I pointed out where I thought those important parts were covered in either the cognitive or behavioural parts of CBT, you ignored at least half of those points and blew off the rest... placing blame on society for how you feel among other things. You didn't reply to my response to that either. > If our society is indicative of an enlightened cognitive > rationale, then we are in trouble. It *isn't* and that's the whole point: people just aren't rational and perfect... if you expect them to be you're setting yourself up for disappointment and unhappiness. Adjust your expectations to suit reality and you'll have a smoother ride on this planet. > There are countless thousands of people in act out mode in our > city . How can they not be when govt poisons our people, makes > rules for rich and poor keeps increasing? So: are you going to get angry/depressed/anxious about it or are you going to find out what sort of constructive and *realistic* action you can take in order to make a change? > The govt and families often set poor role models, not mentioning > so called friends or peers. Who are the good role models anymore? > Movie stars? You can be your own good role model while being one for those around you. Think of it like a cosmic pyramid scheme: each person you positively effect is going to come into contact with many other people who they in turn can positively effect... you just have to get the ball rolling by doing good. > lolYears ago to undo negative influences, it took years of > understanding. Now I think we got the basics down but I don't > think cognitive therapy has them all covered . Ok, spell 'em out then? > A good therapist would have them covered . Yup. Was my guess that you had a bad therapist correct then? > I am extremely leery of people who don't get it. You got Ellis and > people declaring a new way to treat people , almost like WAYNE > DYER. I on the other hand hear very little about what exactly they > are doing to help people get to a better way, especially with > anxiety. Did you check out the links Elliott posted? > I have concrete steps to take to get to a better place with gad ( > general anxiety). What are they? > They ( Dyer and Cognitive ) can describe the situations where > people fail and do it very well in fact . They can even tell you > of people who overcame illness and sadness with right frame of > mind. Right frame of mind is very important. I can cry when I read > about some people who overcame defeat or bad situation as > described by Wayne Dyer but that don't mean and this is the most > important part that these people they described willed themselves > to a better place. Willed themselves to a better place? Sounds on par to some kind of out of body experience or something. > Its great to think positive , its great to be successful but > without the chemical composition in place to act on it it WILL > NEVER KICK IN. And how do you change the chemical composition? If a sensible lifestyle won't work then, yup: meds can help get people to a point where they can benefit from CBT. > I think the best example of what I am talking about is one of my > anxieties with going over high bridges. For years I thought it was > hopeless. I thought I was a failure for not being able to > desensitize myself enough to do it. Stop right there! I gotta know right now, before we go any further: Did you have a therapist at this time and did that therapist know your feelings of hopelessness and feelings of failure? Did the therapist help you with these problems? If he didn't then he probably wasn't a good therapist. FWIW the therapist who was supposed to be doing CBT with me was hopelessly inexperienced... I'm using the books instead now though feedback from a therapist would be handy. > Well I realize now, all the willing in the world would not be > enough. It's not willing: it's hard work, repetition and time. > For some people it might, but not for others. The same for > anxiety : some people might only need a talk from Dyer or a good > cognitive therapist or a good pill. I on the other hand think need > more things need physical changes to take place inside body for > some others to make life long sustaining changes. By physical > changes I don't mean by electric shock but I do mean physical > changes brought on by a combination of things. Explain? Personally I don't think any amount of "physical changes" will reduce anxiety unless they're accompanied by a realistic world view. Vashti
From: mcs on 1 Nov 2005 16:38
beck and all the others mentioned will do little for gad like I have. Is that more specific? Any information that will tell you to act the right way giving a situation can't be all bad but then you assume people with high anxiety don't know all the variable froms the start which isn't always true. The chemical disposition must be in place to allow someone to act on that rationale "Vashti" <vashti.nl(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:20051101214417.364bd4cd(a)linux.local... > It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Vashti wrote: > >> Quite a few books are just that though there are exceptions, like: >> - Feeling Good by David Burns >> - A Guide To Rational Living by Albert Ellis >> - The Anxiety & Phobia Workbook by Edmund J. Bourne >> - The I Ching(sorry, obligatory joke) >> >> Anyone remember others? I'm stuck finding the names of the father >> and daughter... the daughter's name was maybe Judith or at least >> started with a "J". > > Aaron Beck and Judith Beck... does that sound right? I stopped > trying to remember and these came out. > > > Vashti |