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From: Susan on 9 Mar 2010 16:59
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Doug Freyburger wrote:

> Possible is not the same as advisable. Pushing towards zero requires
> special strategies to get all of the essential nutrients. Also dietary
> carbs are not essential for life but the body does have mechanisms that
> kick in to stop fat loss if you go too low for too long.

Those mechanisms kick in right away, certainly before two weeks are up,
actually. Both very low calorie and very low carb levels drop T3 thyroid
like a rock, and raise inactive, reverse T3 instead once ketosis begins.

If they're a danger later, they're a danger early. But they're not.


Susan
From: Susan on 10 Mar 2010 13:15
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Doug Freyburger wrote:

> Calling two weeks "right away" versus calling two weeks "a matter of
> weeks". On this we're differing on semantic details not on what
> happens.

It happens within days of very low cal or very low carb.

>
>> Both very low calorie and very low carb levels drop T3 thyroid
>> like a rock, and raise inactive, reverse T3 instead once ketosis begins.
>
> That's one in a long list of reasons why plans that start out very low
> have a phase one that lasts two weeks.

Too late. That's why the Eades found they had to supplement T3 hormone
in some folks for loss to take place.

>
>> If they're a danger later, they're a danger early. But they're not.
>
> Danger of stall yes, danger of illness no.

All weight loss comes with the danger of stalls; that's the role of the
endocrine feedback loop. In this case, ketosis or very low cal are both
signs of potential famine.

My bias is that they're not a danger, period, except to those with
hypothyroidism.

Susan
From: Susan on 11 Mar 2010 17:36
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Doug Freyburger wrote:
> trader4(a)optonline.net wrote:
> Susan <su...(a)nothanks.org> wrote:
>>> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>>>> Danger of stall yes, danger of illness no.
>>> All weight loss comes with the danger of stalls; that's the role of the
>>> endocrine feedback loop. In this case, ketosis or very low cal are both
>>> signs of potential famine.
>> How then do you explain Dr. Atkins use of a fat fast, with 0 carbs, as
>> a way to break a stall?
>

I think it was just plain stupidity.

Folks that incapable of weight loss need a complete endocrine eval, not
a fat fast.


Susan
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