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From: Omelet on 16 Jul 2008 13:30 Second trip to the chiro this morning. He backed the suggestion of my Ortho' for an inversion table. 2 to 3 times per week for 10 minutes to start. I'll ask him at my next visit next week for followups on what to work it up to, and when to work it to a full inversion. Last weeks treatment did help a bit with the pain. I can now go nearly 20 minutes instead of 10 driving before I start getting the shooting pains down my right shin. And for the first time last night, I could put my pants on without sitting down since April. Today's appt. was interesting. They did some kind of neural spinal scan. I guess I'll get those results next week. They did another muscle stim/ultrasound treatment and this time, she upped the voltage past my brief gasp of pain and oddly enough, the higher voltage actually felt good so I told her to leave it there. After that, I went into the main exam room for an adjustment. For those that looked at the x-ray, the lower lumbar is so screwed up, the sacral plate is actually crooked, so my pelvis is also tilted slightly. He had me raise my right leg backwards while I was laying face down. That sent stabbing pains thru the hip joint and down the front of my shin, and I could not raise it very high. Ouch. He then had me raise my left leg. All the way, no pain, no problem. Then he pressed hard and twisted down on the Sacral spine. No pop or anything, then asked me to raise my right leg back again... Wow. Reduced pain, higher lift. Repeated it. My response? Cool! That did not hurt at all! I was able to raise my right leg backwards the same as the left. I did not expect that kind of relief that quickly. He just smiled. ;-) I doubt it'll last just after two visits, but I'll be seeing him once per week for awhile. This will cost, but it's worth it... My commute home was the best I've had in weeks. -- Peace! Om "Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein
From: Steve Freides on 16 Jul 2008 13:41 "Omelet" <ompomelet(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:ompomelet-EC14B1.12300616072008(a)news.giganews.com... > Second trip to the chiro this morning. > > He backed the suggestion of my Ortho' for an inversion table. 2 to 3 > times per week for 10 minutes to start. I'll ask him at my next visit > next week for followups on what to work it up to, and when to work it > to > a full inversion. > > Last weeks treatment did help a bit with the pain. I can now go > nearly > 20 minutes instead of 10 driving before I start getting the shooting > pains down my right shin. And for the first time last night, I could > put > my pants on without sitting down since April. > > Today's appt. was interesting. They did some kind of neural spinal > scan. I guess I'll get those results next week. They did another > muscle > stim/ultrasound treatment and this time, she upped the voltage past my > brief gasp of pain and oddly enough, the higher voltage actually felt > good so I told her to leave it there. > > After that, I went into the main exam room for an adjustment. For > those > that looked at the x-ray, the lower lumbar is so screwed up, the > sacral > plate is actually crooked, so my pelvis is also tilted slightly. He > had me raise my right leg backwards while I was laying face down. That > sent stabbing pains thru the hip joint and down the front of my shin, > and I could not raise it very high. Ouch. > > He then had me raise my left leg. All the way, no pain, no problem. > > Then he pressed hard and twisted down on the Sacral spine. No pop or > anything, then asked me to raise my right leg back again... > > Wow. Reduced pain, higher lift. > > Repeated it. > > My response? > > Cool! That did not hurt at all! I was able to raise my right leg > backwards the same as the left. I did not expect that kind of relief > that quickly. > > He just smiled. ;-) > > I doubt it'll last just after two visits, but I'll be seeing him once > per week for awhile. This will cost, but it's worth it... > > My commute home was the best I've had in weeks. > -- > Peace! Om > > "Human nature seems to be to control other people > until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein Glad to hear you're improving - but I have to ask what is the exercise component of your plan? My vote, which won't surprise you or anyone else, is strength training, specifically those exercises which strengthen the entire lumbar region against forces trying to misalign it, e.g., a standing, one-armed, overhead strict press with a heavy-enough-to-matter weight. (If I've missed your discourse on this subject, my apologies in advance.) -S- http://www.kbnj.com
From: Omelet on 16 Jul 2008 14:22 In article <6e6q60F5n5h9U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "Steve Freides" <steve(a)fridayscomputer.com> wrote: > "Omelet" <ompomelet(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:ompomelet-EC14B1.12300616072008(a)news.giganews.com... > > Second trip to the chiro this morning. > > > > He backed the suggestion of my Ortho' for an inversion table. 2 to 3 > > times per week for 10 minutes to start. I'll ask him at my next visit > > next week for followups on what to work it up to, and when to work it > > to > > a full inversion. > > > > Last weeks treatment did help a bit with the pain. I can now go > > nearly > > 20 minutes instead of 10 driving before I start getting the shooting > > pains down my right shin. And for the first time last night, I could > > put > > my pants on without sitting down since April. > > > > Today's appt. was interesting. They did some kind of neural spinal > > scan. I guess I'll get those results next week. They did another > > muscle > > stim/ultrasound treatment and this time, she upped the voltage past my > > brief gasp of pain and oddly enough, the higher voltage actually felt > > good so I told her to leave it there. > > > > After that, I went into the main exam room for an adjustment. For > > those > > that looked at the x-ray, the lower lumbar is so screwed up, the > > sacral > > plate is actually crooked, so my pelvis is also tilted slightly. He > > had me raise my right leg backwards while I was laying face down. That > > sent stabbing pains thru the hip joint and down the front of my shin, > > and I could not raise it very high. Ouch. > > > > He then had me raise my left leg. All the way, no pain, no problem. > > > > Then he pressed hard and twisted down on the Sacral spine. No pop or > > anything, then asked me to raise my right leg back again... > > > > Wow. Reduced pain, higher lift. > > > > Repeated it. > > > > My response? > > > > Cool! That did not hurt at all! I was able to raise my right leg > > backwards the same as the left. I did not expect that kind of relief > > that quickly. > > > > He just smiled. ;-) > > > > I doubt it'll last just after two visits, but I'll be seeing him once > > per week for awhile. This will cost, but it's worth it... > > > > My commute home was the best I've had in weeks. > > -- > > Glad to hear you're improving - but I have to ask what is the exercise > component of your plan? My vote, which won't surprise you or anyone > else, is strength training, specifically those exercises which > strengthen the entire lumbar region against forces trying to misalign > it, e.g., a standing, one-armed, overhead strict press with a > heavy-enough-to-matter weight. (If I've missed your discourse on this > subject, my apologies in advance.) > > -S- > http://www.kbnj.com No worries dude... I've evidently missed some aspects of core torso strength training. I'm open to advice. It can just not irritate a degenerated lumbar spine. The two bottom Lumbar disks no longer exist. For torso muscles, I've obviously not done enough as that fall I took the end of April precipitated this, but the underlying problems were there to start with. Do you need to see a re-post of the x-ray jpeg? From what googling I've done, DDD is very common. So much so that it probably explains the number of elderly humans using walkers I saw when I was waiting for that Rx refill from my main doc this morning. I don't want to end up that way. It was sad. :-( -- Peace! Om "Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein
From: Curt on 16 Jul 2008 16:00 Omelet <ompome...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Second trip to the chiro this morning. [...] > > My response? > > Cool! That did not hurt at all! I was able to raise my right leg > backwards the same as the left. I did not expect that kind of relief > that quickly. > > He just smiled. ;-) [...] EXCELLENT news, Om! -- Curt
From: Steve Freides on 16 Jul 2008 17:01
"Omelet" <ompomelet(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:ompomelet-F13DD7.13220716072008(a)news.giganews.com... > In article <6e6q60F5n5h9U1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "Steve Freides" <steve(a)fridayscomputer.com> wrote: > >> "Omelet" <ompomelet(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:ompomelet-EC14B1.12300616072008(a)news.giganews.com... >> > Second trip to the chiro this morning. >> > >> > He backed the suggestion of my Ortho' for an inversion table. 2 to >> > 3 >> > times per week for 10 minutes to start. I'll ask him at my next >> > visit >> > next week for followups on what to work it up to, and when to work >> > it >> > to >> > a full inversion. >> > >> > Last weeks treatment did help a bit with the pain. I can now go >> > nearly >> > 20 minutes instead of 10 driving before I start getting the >> > shooting >> > pains down my right shin. And for the first time last night, I >> > could >> > put >> > my pants on without sitting down since April. >> > >> > Today's appt. was interesting. They did some kind of neural spinal >> > scan. I guess I'll get those results next week. They did another >> > muscle >> > stim/ultrasound treatment and this time, she upped the voltage past >> > my >> > brief gasp of pain and oddly enough, the higher voltage actually >> > felt >> > good so I told her to leave it there. >> > >> > After that, I went into the main exam room for an adjustment. For >> > those >> > that looked at the x-ray, the lower lumbar is so screwed up, the >> > sacral >> > plate is actually crooked, so my pelvis is also tilted slightly. >> > He >> > had me raise my right leg backwards while I was laying face down. >> > That >> > sent stabbing pains thru the hip joint and down the front of my >> > shin, >> > and I could not raise it very high. Ouch. >> > >> > He then had me raise my left leg. All the way, no pain, no problem. >> > >> > Then he pressed hard and twisted down on the Sacral spine. No pop >> > or >> > anything, then asked me to raise my right leg back again... >> > >> > Wow. Reduced pain, higher lift. >> > >> > Repeated it. >> > >> > My response? >> > >> > Cool! That did not hurt at all! I was able to raise my right leg >> > backwards the same as the left. I did not expect that kind of >> > relief >> > that quickly. >> > >> > He just smiled. ;-) >> > >> > I doubt it'll last just after two visits, but I'll be seeing him >> > once >> > per week for awhile. This will cost, but it's worth it... >> > >> > My commute home was the best I've had in weeks. >> > -- >> >> Glad to hear you're improving - but I have to ask what is the >> exercise >> component of your plan? My vote, which won't surprise you or anyone >> else, is strength training, specifically those exercises which >> strengthen the entire lumbar region against forces trying to misalign >> it, e.g., a standing, one-armed, overhead strict press with a >> heavy-enough-to-matter weight. (If I've missed your discourse on >> this >> subject, my apologies in advance.) >> >> -S- >> http://www.kbnj.com > > No worries dude... I've evidently missed some aspects of core torso > strength training. I'm open to advice. It can just not irritate a > degenerated lumbar spine. The two bottom Lumbar disks no longer exist. > For torso muscles, I've obviously not done enough as that fall I took > the end of April precipitated this, but the underlying problems were > there to start with. > > Do you need to see a re-post of the x-ray jpeg? Nope. > From what googling I've done, DDD is very common. So much so that it > probably explains the number of elderly humans using walkers I saw > when > I was waiting for that Rx refill from my main doc this morning. > > I don't want to end up that way. It was sad. :-( Well, that's a good sign. :) Part of the whole Party approach to lifting, and part of why Dr. Stuart McGill likes the Party approach to lifting (read his "Ultimate Back Fitness and Performance" if you haven't already) is the concept I mentioned above, namely creating a stable lower back against forces trying to destabilize it, paired with mobile hips and shoulders. You could do a lot worse than to get Pavel's "Enter The Kettlebell" and read it - even if you decide not to do the exercises, the principles involved are very likely the things that can help you. The basic movements like swing and press all do just this. For a starter, grab a dumbbell and do a standing, one-armed Arnold press - glutes locked, lats flared, and as little movement in the lumbar spine as possible while pressing - think Valsalva, think deadlift, and apply those principles to your Arnold press. Work the negative hard - pull the weight back down in the same groove you pressed it, don't just let gravity bring it down for you. -S- http://www.kbnj.com |