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From: Ilena Rose on 25 Jul 2006 23:54 I care deeply about this tragedy. I believe firmly that the anti-alternative healthfraud Regime is using the Cherrix familly's choices as yet another opportunity to further their rabid anti-alternative, pro Con Med agenda. When Coretta King passed away in a clinic in Mexico ... they used her death to wage their Wars although Con Med failed her and she was never even treated there. I believe there are many who have recovered or lived their last time on earth with a higher quality of life by choosing alternatives ... including those offered at the clinics in Mexico ... one of MANY targets of the pharma / quackwatch agendas. Having lived for some decades in San Diego, I have met many who have received very positive results from them. I believe this young man's parents should NEVER have been charged with "neglect" ... nor had the State threaten them. I believe this family should be left in peace for Abraham to spend the rest of his life ... whether it be days, weeks, months, years or decades WITHOUT the government interfering with their threats and forced therapies (that could well kill him.) www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/blog.htm
From: Rod on 26 Jul 2006 08:48 "0:->" <pohaku.kane(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:dLudnaeEXchAeVvZnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d(a)scnresearch.com... > awthrawthr(a)yahoo.com wrote: >> 0:-> wrote: >>> Ilena Rose wrote: >>>> http://www.wvec.com/news/local/stories/wvec_local_072506_cherrix_circuit_court.fae8f4.html >>>> Breaking News: Judge orders stay of teen cancer patient's treatment >>>> order >>>> >>>> 01:09 PM EDT on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 >>>> >>>> Associated Press & 13News >>>> >>>> >>>> ACCOMAC, Va. (AP) -- An Accomack County Circuit Court judge granted a >>>> temporary stay for a 16-year-old Eastern Shore cancer patient who >>>> doesn't want to be forced by the state to undergo chemotherapy. >>>> >>>> A juvenile court judge had ordered Starchild Abraham Cherrix and his >>>> parents to report to CHKD by 1:00 p.m. and denied a stay of that >>>> order. >>>> >>>> But the Circuit Court judge Tuesday said Cherrix won't have to submit >>>> to treatment and also granted his parents full custody instead of >>>> having that custody shared with Social Services, >>>> >>>> Virginia Attorney General Bob McDonnell filed a brief to the Circuit >>>> Court today supporting a stay, arguing that Abraham deserves the right >>>> to appeal the order to the Circuit Court before undergoing medical >>>> treatment. >>>> >>>> AG McDonnell's Amicus brief >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.wvec.com/news/cherrix%20mcdonnell.pdf >>>> >>>> >>>> Abraham said three months of chemotherapy last year left him weak, and >>>> he refused a second round when he learned early this year that his >>>> Hodgkin's disease was active again. >>>> >>>> He chose instead to go on a sugar-free, organic diet and take herbal >>>> supplements under the supervision of a clinic in Mexico. >>>> >>>> A social worker then asked a judge to require the teen to continue >>>> conventional treatment. >>> Would you sanction a teen committing suicide? >> >> No, which explains why he refuses to go through chemo again. > > Can you support your claim, which appears to be "chemo" equates to > suicide? > >>> Have teens suddenly become adults? >> >> The parents are the ones making the decision until a state social >> worker tried to inject itself into the matter. > > They, by their "decision," relinquished their decision making when they > give the decision to him. > >>> Are they to be considered capable of informed consent? >>> >>> Let's then lower the voting, drinking, smoking, marrying age to 13. >>> >>> A teen can make SOME decisions and should, if for nothing else but the >>> practice and making errors that won't kill him, her, or someone else. >>> >>> But life threatening decisions? >>> >>> Should this be allowed imagine the impact of the case law on the future >>> for children of this age. >> >> In the case Schneider v. Revici the federal appelate court for NY ruled >> that patients may accept what is called "Assumption of risk": > > If they are a minor child? > >> "We see no reason why a patient should not be allowed to make an >> informed decision and go outside currently approved medical methods in >> search of an unconventional treatment....An informed decidion to avoid >> surgery and chemotherapy is within a patient's right to determine what >> to do with his or her own body." >> >> Certainly the parents of Cherrix ought to be the primary decision >> makers for their son in this case. > > Yes, they should. They gave up that decision, by making a decision. They > made the decision the child would decide. > > I consider that immoral. > > My son did not like the dentist. Whether to have dentistry was NOT a > choice I allowed him. > > In reviewing the results for chemotherapy and for the Hoxey treatment I > find the former more thoroughly and scientifically supported as to having > a higher rate of success. That is, the patient living longer. > > We read almost daily of someone well known undergoing chemo and surviving > to live a long full life. > > They too complained of the misery involved. > > Yet I doubt they'd chose now to have not gone through it, given they are > still alive many years later, and highly functional. > > It is not a child's decision to make, sir. In the case of a Child becoming a parent, I guess one could argue that it is also not a child's initial decision to become a parent? Respect of choices is sometimes the only choice available to those that may influence a choice but not really be entitled to make the choice on behalf of others. > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Celebrity+chemotherapy&btnG=Google+Search > > 0:-> > > > -- > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what > to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb > contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)
From: Rod on 26 Jul 2006 09:03 "0:->" <pohaku.kane(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:j9adnUr5RIOlc1vZnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d(a)scnresearch.com... > Ilena Rose < wrote: >> I care deeply about this tragedy. > > I can tell. You use such loaded emotional language to describe it. > >> I believe firmly that the anti-alternative healthfraud Regime is using >> the Cherrix familly's choices as yet another opportunity to further >> their rabid anti-alternative, pro Con Med agenda. When Coretta King >> passed away in a clinic in Mexico ... they used her death to wage >> their Wars although Con Med failed her and she was never even treated >> there. > > I find your complex sentences obtuse and unclear. If you wish, clarify. > Short, declarative will work nicely, I think. > >> I believe there are many who have recovered or lived their last time >> on earth with a higher quality of life by choosing alternatives ... > > That's very possible. And I believe they were nearly all adults who made > their decision. > >> including those offered at the clinics in Mexico ... one of MANY >> targets of the pharma / quackwatch agendas. Having lived for some >> decades in San Diego, I have met many who have received very positive >> results from them. > > I have met many people that thought they were cured only to die, with > advanced cancer that would no longer respond to chemo and other proven > therapies. > > I note that the raving anti establishment folks then pointed to those > "failures." Well they are failures are they not? No real cure for major Cancer killers despite the so called billions spent on research over the last 40/50 years. > >> I believe this young man's parents should NEVER have been charged with >> "neglect" ... nor had the State threaten them. > > I believe they did not weigh the evidence well. > >> I believe this family should be left in peace for Abraham to spend the >> rest of his life ... > > Then why don't you? > > You appear to be going on and on about them. I hope they don't read this. > >> whether it be days, weeks, months, years or >> decades WITHOUT the government interfering with their threats and >> forced therapies (that could well kill him.) > > As could a less proven therapy that might be more "comfortable." >> >> www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/blog.htm >> > The involvement with anti establishment types have cost a lot of people > dearly in this and other matters. Many of them to do with child protection > issues. > > You folks don't seem to have much in the way of conscience when it comes > to your agendas. Which agenda are you referring to? Is the conscience of death from conventional or alternative really any different? > 0:-> > > > > > -- > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what > to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb > contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)
From: ericew on 26 Jul 2006 09:30 At what age, as a society, do we allow people to die for ignorance alone? what about commit suicide by quackery? 1) From Starchilds own words he wishes to live. 2) His chances with chemo were 50/50 and falling by the day 3) His chances with Hoxsel is still... just about 0 4) The judge waited to hear that the treatment *that he has been pursuing* has not resulted in any reduction in cancer, in fact the tumor has grown. The only conclusion you can draw is that neither he, nor his parents are acting in his best interest. His choice of treatment is an immediate danger to him. It's not like his parents are choosing between a chocolate shake and a banana split, they are sentencing him to death. This is not just a strong preference it's a death sentence. For those that think chemo is poison, wake up and smell reality, tumors and treatment are not always pretty, but they do work. I suppose none of you drink alcohol, smoke, or use other substances that are toxic in large doses ( like vitamins and minerals that are fat soluble ). Don't get me wrong, if Starchild wanted to die in peace after already having failed in chemo I would have supported him 100% with the pain, discomfort and odds of a second round of chemo who would blame him; but that is not the case, his stated preference is to live and his actions and his parents actions betray that choice. This is a slippery slope issue... what's next? Can christian scientists deny life saving treatment for their children because they believe that all illness can be cured with prayer? What about parents who believe that injections will kill there child? These are real issues that can not be ignored when viewing this case. Eric
From: dragonsgirl on 26 Jul 2006 09:36
"0:->" <pohaku.kane(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:392dnRvZIOVW7lvZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d(a)scnresearch.com... > dragonsgirl wrote: >> "PeterB" <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in message >> news:1153852419.667768.206550(a)s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>> 0:-> wrote: >>>> Ilena Rose wrote: >>>>> http://www.wvec.com/news/local/stories/wvec_local_072506_cherrix_circuit_court.fae8f4.html >>>>> Breaking News: Judge orders stay of teen cancer patient's treatment >>>>> order >>>>> >>>>> 01:09 PM EDT on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 >>>>> >>>>> Associated Press & 13News >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ACCOMAC, Va. (AP) -- An Accomack County Circuit Court judge granted a >>>>> temporary stay for a 16-year-old Eastern Shore cancer patient who >>>>> doesn't want to be forced by the state to undergo chemotherapy. >>>>> >>>>> A juvenile court judge had ordered Starchild Abraham Cherrix and his >>>>> parents to report to CHKD by 1:00 p.m. and denied a stay of that >>>>> order. >>>>> >>>>> But the Circuit Court judge Tuesday said Cherrix won't have to submit >>>>> to treatment and also granted his parents full custody instead of >>>>> having that custody shared with Social Services, >>>>> >>>>> Virginia Attorney General Bob McDonnell filed a brief to the Circuit >>>>> Court today supporting a stay, arguing that Abraham deserves the right >>>>> to appeal the order to the Circuit Court before undergoing medical >>>>> treatment. >>>>> >>>>> AG McDonnell's Amicus brief >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.wvec.com/news/cherrix%20mcdonnell.pdf >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Abraham said three months of chemotherapy last year left him weak, and >>>>> he refused a second round when he learned early this year that his >>>>> Hodgkin's disease was active again. >>>>> >>>>> He chose instead to go on a sugar-free, organic diet and take herbal >>>>> supplements under the supervision of a clinic in Mexico. >>>>> >>>>> A social worker then asked a judge to require the teen to continue >>>>> conventional treatment. >>>> Would you sanction a teen committing suicide? >>> But Abraham isn't trying to kill himself, he's trying to save himself. >>> His first experience with chemo tells him his chances are better >>> without it. >>> >>>> Have teens suddenly become adults? >>> Has the state suddenly become a parent? >>> >>>> Are they to be considered capable of informed consent? >>> At 16, you would have no inability to grasp your prognosis with, or >>> without, medical treatment. >>> >>>> Let's then lower the voting, drinking, smoking, marrying age to 13. >>> No, let's be sure that parents have jurisdiction over their own >>> children, except in the ER. >>> >>>> A teen can make SOME decisions and should, if for nothing else but the >>>> practice and making errors that won't kill him, her, or someone else. >> >> Oh? > > That was my comment. Read it more closely and you'll see I am saying what > you are below. Yes, I know. I was saying 'oh?' as in 'oh? that I understand'. I went on to agree with what you say, obviously, and phrased to include more scenarios where children are not legally, morally, or mentally capable of making their own decisions. > >> Then let's change the law to allow them to vote, to get married, to join >> the military, to quit school any age they like, to accept or refuse birth >> control at any time they like, to be charged as adults in crimes, even >> if they are only four and stole a pack of gum from the grocery store. >> >> Let's get real here, this young man is too young to drink, too young to >> drive without his parent's consent, too young to marry, too young to >> vote, too young to do most everything...but he is old enough to make his >> own decisions about his health care? >> >> I don't deny that some alternative treatments may, or may not work, and >> that he may do well to use those treatments concurrent with other plans. >> >> What I do deny is that this young man is old enough to make ANY decisions >> that would effect his very life. >> >> His parents may some day come to regret allowing it. > > Well, considering that Peter B., the poster, resorted quickly to insults > (see the end of the post) and avoidance of the issues presented I don't > consider he's made much of a argument for the boy making such a decision > on his own. > > My sentiments agree with yours. > > Kane There's a definite problem with the boy making such a decision on his own. In this case it appears that the decision was made with the approval of his parents. There is really something wrong with parents making that kind of decision. I don't always agree with modern medicine, however, I don't always disagree. My mother was brought to remission with chemo. It sucked, it made her sick, she lost weight because she couldn't eat, but it killed the cancer. On the other hand, my ex husband's aunt..whom I dearly loved, redeveloped cancer about 20 years after her first bout and mastectomy. She chose to use SOME treatments, and some SHARK CARTILAGE. And, of course, she died rather quickly after dx. Just as you have said, and so have I, I would hate to be this boy's parents and then realize one day that I had made a mistake that cost him his life. He's a young man who could have a long life ahead of him. It will be a sure tragedy should that life be cut short. I think that all options should be explored and tried concurrent with one another. Maybe his parents would do well to contact someone at St Judes and get information from them. > > >> >>> The first time you got behind the wheel of a car you were taking a >>> bigger chance than you had the day before (even if you had your license >>> and were of legal age.) >>> >>>> But life threatening decisions? >>> What are you, the Mother Goddess of Scrapes? Ever cross a street on >>> your own? >>> >>>> Should this be allowed imagine the impact of the case law on the future >>>> for children of this age. >>> You sound like you were very sheltered. Grow up and face your own >>> music. Nobody wants to hold your hand. >>> >>> PeterB >>> >> >> > > > -- > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what > to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb > contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) |