From: dr_jeff on
Blinky Bill wrote:
>
>
> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
> news:R7-dnSZvrrMdBAzWnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:ev6dnSBPpcNjDQzWnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>>>
>
> <snip>
>
>>>>>>>> Reproductive health care means more than birth control.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the context of reducing the current estimate of population in
>>>>>>> 2050 it probably doesn't mean much more than birth control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet, Bill Gates is interested in helping people in developing
>>>>>> nations in ways beyond just birth control.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody has said otherwise - but the best method of substantially
>>>>> reducing the projected 2050 population (which is what is being
>>>>> discussed, not his other philanthropic activities) is likely to be
>>>>> birth control rather than waiting for fertility to decline with
>>>>> improved life expectancy.
>>>>
>>>> When people are better off socioeconomically, they usually choose to
>>>> have fewer children. That's a big reason why the birth rate in the
>>>> US is lower than that in Africa.
>>>
>>> That may be so, but socio-economics wasn't mentioned in the quote by
>>> Gates -
>>> "If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
>>> reproductive health services, we could lower that
>>> [his initial 2050 global population projection of
>>> 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15 percent."
>>
>> That quote is the only thing I saw that he said on the topic of
>> population growth.
>
> Yep - let's just stick to that quote, which is what was being discussed.

You were intellectually dishonest when you removed part of what I said
without indicating that fact.

And we were discussing the meaning of the quote, by bringing other
things the person whom was quote said. If you don't think that is
relevant tough doo-doo.

Jeff
From: Blinky Bill on


"dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
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> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>> news:R7-dnSZvrrMdBAzWnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>>> news:ev6dnSBPpcNjDQzWnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>>>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>>>>>> Reproductive health care means more than birth control.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the context of reducing the current estimate of population in
>>>>>>>> 2050 it probably doesn't mean much more than birth control.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet, Bill Gates is interested in helping people in developing
>>>>>>> nations in ways beyond just birth control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody has said otherwise - but the best method of substantially
>>>>>> reducing the projected 2050 population (which is what is being
>>>>>> discussed, not his other philanthropic activities) is likely to be
>>>>>> birth control rather than waiting for fertility to decline with
>>>>>> improved life expectancy.
>>>>>
>>>>> When people are better off socioeconomically, they usually choose to
>>>>> have fewer children. That's a big reason why the birth rate in the US
>>>>> is lower than that in Africa.
>>>>
>>>> That may be so, but socio-economics wasn't mentioned in the quote by
>>>> Gates -
>>>> "If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
>>>> reproductive health services, we could lower that
>>>> [his initial 2050 global population projection of
>>>> 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15 percent."
>>>
>>> That quote is the only thing I saw that he said on the topic of
>>> population growth.
>>
>> Yep - let's just stick to that quote, which is what was being discussed.
>
> You were intellectually dishonest when you removed part of what I said
> without indicating that fact.

I snipped the part not relevant to the point of discussion which is the Bill
gates quote cited above. Why you think it is "intellectually dishonest" to
try to keep you on topic by refusinjg to be diverted is something only you
can explain.


> And we were discussing the meaning of the quote, by bringing other things

<snip irrelevant "other things">

No "we" weren't - only you want to change the subject.

You apparently want this discussion to go on forever by changing the
subject - I'm not interested.



From: dr_jeff on
Blinky Bill wrote:
>
>
> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
> news:u-qdna68fLD6AgzWnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:R7-dnSZvrrMdBAzWnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ev6dnSBPpcNjDQzWnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Reproductive health care means more than birth control.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the context of reducing the current estimate of population
>>>>>>>>> in 2050 it probably doesn't mean much more than birth control.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yet, Bill Gates is interested in helping people in developing
>>>>>>>> nations in ways beyond just birth control.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nobody has said otherwise - but the best method of substantially
>>>>>>> reducing the projected 2050 population (which is what is being
>>>>>>> discussed, not his other philanthropic activities) is likely to
>>>>>>> be birth control rather than waiting for fertility to decline
>>>>>>> with improved life expectancy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When people are better off socioeconomically, they usually choose
>>>>>> to have fewer children. That's a big reason why the birth rate in
>>>>>> the US is lower than that in Africa.
>>>>>
>>>>> That may be so, but socio-economics wasn't mentioned in the quote
>>>>> by Gates -
>>>>> "If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
>>>>> reproductive health services, we could lower that
>>>>> [his initial 2050 global population projection of
>>>>> 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15 percent."
>>>>
>>>> That quote is the only thing I saw that he said on the topic of
>>>> population growth.
>>>
>>> Yep - let's just stick to that quote, which is what was being discussed.
>>
>> You were intellectually dishonest when you removed part of what I said
>> without indicating that fact.
>
> I snipped the part not relevant to the point of discussion which is the
> Bill gates quote cited above. Why you think it is "intellectually
> dishonest" to try to keep you on topic by refusinjg to be diverted is
> something only you can explain.

You're changing what I said without indicating that fact.

>> And we were discussing the meaning of the quote, by bringing other things
>
> <snip irrelevant "other things">

I think it's relevant. Obviously, you don't. Too bad.

> No "we" weren't - only you want to change the subject.

You're a fool if you think what the person said related to the quote is
not relevant.

> You apparently want this discussion to go on forever by changing the
> subject - I'm not interested.

Good, there is no requirement that you participate in the discussion.

Problem solved.

Jeff
From: Blinky Bill on


"dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
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> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>> news:u-qdna68fLD6AgzWnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>>> news:R7-dnSZvrrMdBAzWnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ev6dnSBPpcNjDQzWnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Reproductive health care means more than birth control.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In the context of reducing the current estimate of population in
>>>>>>>>>> 2050 it probably doesn't mean much more than birth control.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yet, Bill Gates is interested in helping people in developing
>>>>>>>>> nations in ways beyond just birth control.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nobody has said otherwise - but the best method of substantially
>>>>>>>> reducing the projected 2050 population (which is what is being
>>>>>>>> discussed, not his other philanthropic activities) is likely to be
>>>>>>>> birth control rather than waiting for fertility to decline with
>>>>>>>> improved life expectancy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When people are better off socioeconomically, they usually choose to
>>>>>>> have fewer children. That's a big reason why the birth rate in the
>>>>>>> US is lower than that in Africa.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That may be so, but socio-economics wasn't mentioned in the quote by
>>>>>> Gates -
>>>>>> "If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
>>>>>> reproductive health services, we could lower that
>>>>>> [his initial 2050 global population projection of
>>>>>> 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15 percent."
>>>>>
>>>>> That quote is the only thing I saw that he said on the topic of
>>>>> population growth.
>>>>
>>>> Yep - let's just stick to that quote, which is what was being
>>>> discussed.
>>>
>>> You were intellectually dishonest when you removed part of what I said
>>> without indicating that fact.
>>
>> I snipped the part not relevant to the point of discussion which is the
>> Bill gates quote cited above. Why you think it is "intellectually
>> dishonest" to try to keep you on topic by refusinjg to be diverted is
>> something only you can explain.
>
> You're changing what I said without indicating that fact.

Get over it. It was irrelevant to the a discussion of the Bill Gates quote.

>>> And we were discussing the meaning of the quote, by bringing other
>>> things
>>
>> <snip irrelevant "other things">
>
> I think it's relevant. Obviously, you don't. Too bad.

Indeed - get over it.

>> No "we" weren't - only you want to change the subject
>
> You're a fool if you think what the person said related to the quote is
> not relevant.

Socio-economics wasn't mentioned in the quote. The only issues mentioned
were "vaccines, healthcare and reproductive services".

>> You apparently want this discussion to go on forever by changing the
>> subject - I'm not interested.
>
> Good, there is no requirement that you participate in the discussion.

You neither, but as I said, you seem to want it to go on forever by changing
the subject or introducing issues not related to the point of discussion.

From: v on
Come on people - why is it that some seem to take every chain email as
gospel?

Bill Gates made that comment in a speech about C02 reduction at a
recent technology convention.

Sure, you'll find tons of websites and blogs where people are making
wild claims about Gates comment, and if you want you can find wild
claims on just about anything, but that doesn't mean it's true.
There's over 1.6 million hits on Google on how cell phones can pop
popcorn, but that was a hoax as well (it turned out to be an
advertising stunt put out my some people selling Bluetooth products).
Conspiracy theories are fun, but let's not get too neurotic here. If
you notice, most of the conspiracy pages are either on free websites,
or valueless website names which are hosted on budget accounts of only
a few dollars a month. These are nothing more than the cyber version
of a public bathroom wall.

The full speech video is at http://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates.html.
His comment about population is within the first 5 minutes. I would
recommend watching the whole thing so you understand what is being
explained as a whole. And if you know about "Demographic Transitions"
of populations in developing countries, mainly stage one to stage
three, then you understand what he's talking about. Otherwise you are
just taking things out of context.

Think about it.... put all the wide-eyed, fanatic, conspiracy theory,
threats and insults aside and just think about it. IF Bill Gates
actually was in some secret global plot to kill billions then WHY
WOULD HE SO CASUALLY MENTION IT AT A PRESENTATION AT THE TED2010
CONVENTION? (btw, TED stands for Technology, Entertainment and
Design). Sheesh. What's the next panic screaming post.... Bill Gates
is secretly building a rocket ship to escape the giant meteor that
will destroy the earth in 2012? LOL