From: dr_jeff on
Blinky Bill wrote:
>
>
> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
> news:LsOdnQgKcdagrxbWnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:KIidnbkWXeU6sRbWnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <bae(a)cs.toronto.no-uce.edu> wrote in message
>>>>> news:2010Feb28.211740.14436(a)jarvis.cs.toronto.edu...
>>>>>> In article <iK2dnZfGJ_rVhhbWnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>,
>>>>>> dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:hpSdnVuXI-VzZhfWnZ2dnUVZ_r9i4p2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>>>>> john wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:mJednTVIrIRQaxfWnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> john wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.whale.to/b/bill_gates1.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
>>>>>>>>>>>> reproductive
>>>>>>>>>>>> health services, we could lower that [his initial 2050 global
>>>>>>>>>>>> population projection of 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15
>>>>>>>>>>>> percent." ---Bill Gates
>>>>>>>>>>> With better health care, including vaccines and reproductive
>>>>>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>>>>>> services, people have fewer children, leading to a lower
>>>>>>>>>>> increase in
>>>>>>>>>>> human population.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> he didn't say that, but nice attempt at spin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where did he say that?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please show I am wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gates may have been referring to hCG vaccine or other
>>>>>>>> anti-pregnancy
>>>>>>>> vaccines.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC44640/?log%24=activity
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think so. Bill Gate's foundation has paid for a lot of
>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>> care in developing nations as well as vaccine development against
>>>>>>> infectious diseases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Reproductive health services" means access to birth control. Like
>>>>>> women in developed countries, women in underdeveloped countries would
>>>>>> prefer not to have more children than they can raise to healthy
>>>>>> adulthood. That option is not open to most of them now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly. And a contraceptive vaccine that is effective for several
>>>>> years is likely to be more successful (and probably cheaper) than
>>>>> methods which rely on remembering to take pills on a daily basis.
>>>>
>>>> Where there is better health (in part from vaccines and improved
>>>> access to health care), kids are more likely to make it to
>>>> adulthood, so adults don't need to have as many kids to ensure that
>>>> some of their kids will make it to adulthood.
>>>
>>> They don't need to but the evidence of population growth in most
>>> developing countries is that they still are.
>>>
>>>> Reproductive health care means more than birth control.
>>>
>>> In the context of reducing the current estimate of population in 2050
>>> it probably doesn't mean much more than birth control.
>>
>> Yet, Bill Gates is interested in helping people in developing nations
>> in ways beyond just birth control.
>
> Nobody has said otherwise - but the best method of substantially
> reducing the projected 2050 population (which is what is being
> discussed, not his other philanthropic activities) is likely to be birth
> control rather than waiting for fertility to decline with improved life
> expectancy.

When people are better off socioeconomically, they usually choose to
have fewer children. That's a big reason why the birth rate in the US is
lower than that in Africa.

Jeff
From: Blinky Bill on


"dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
news:ev6dnSBPpcNjDQzWnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>> news:LsOdnQgKcdagrxbWnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>>> news:KIidnbkWXeU6sRbWnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <bae(a)cs.toronto.no-uce.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:2010Feb28.211740.14436(a)jarvis.cs.toronto.edu...
>>>>>>> In article <iK2dnZfGJ_rVhhbWnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>,
>>>>>>> dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:hpSdnVuXI-VzZhfWnZ2dnUVZ_r9i4p2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>>>>>> john wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:mJednTVIrIRQaxfWnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> john wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.whale.to/b/bill_gates1.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reproductive
>>>>>>>>>>>>> health services, we could lower that [his initial 2050 global
>>>>>>>>>>>>> population projection of 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15
>>>>>>>>>>>>> percent." ---Bill Gates
>>>>>>>>>>>> With better health care, including vaccines and reproductive
>>>>>>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>>>>>>> services, people have fewer children, leading to a lower
>>>>>>>>>>>> increase in
>>>>>>>>>>>> human population.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> he didn't say that, but nice attempt at spin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Where did he say that?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please show I am wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gates may have been referring to hCG vaccine or other
>>>>>>>>> anti-pregnancy
>>>>>>>>> vaccines.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC44640/?log%24=activity
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think so. Bill Gate's foundation has paid for a lot of
>>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>>> care in developing nations as well as vaccine development against
>>>>>>>> infectious diseases.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Reproductive health services" means access to birth control. Like
>>>>>>> women in developed countries, women in underdeveloped countries
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> prefer not to have more children than they can raise to healthy
>>>>>>> adulthood. That option is not open to most of them now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly. And a contraceptive vaccine that is effective for several
>>>>>> years is likely to be more successful (and probably cheaper) than
>>>>>> methods which rely on remembering to take pills on a daily basis.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where there is better health (in part from vaccines and improved
>>>>> access to health care), kids are more likely to make it to adulthood,
>>>>> so adults don't need to have as many kids to ensure that some of their
>>>>> kids will make it to adulthood.
>>>>
>>>> They don't need to but the evidence of population growth in most
>>>> developing countries is that they still are.
>>>>
>>>>> Reproductive health care means more than birth control.
>>>>
>>>> In the context of reducing the current estimate of population in 2050
>>>> it probably doesn't mean much more than birth control.
>>>
>>> Yet, Bill Gates is interested in helping people in developing nations in
>>> ways beyond just birth control.
>>
>> Nobody has said otherwise - but the best method of substantially reducing
>> the projected 2050 population (which is what is being discussed, not his
>> other philanthropic activities) is likely to be birth control rather than
>> waiting for fertility to decline with improved life expectancy.
>
> When people are better off socioeconomically, they usually choose to have
> fewer children. That's a big reason why the birth rate in the US is lower
> than that in Africa.

That may be so, but socio-economics wasn't mentioned in the quote by Gates -
"If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
reproductive health services, we could lower that
[his initial 2050 global population projection of
9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15 percent."


From: dr_jeff on
Blinky Bill wrote:
>
>
> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
> news:ev6dnSBPpcNjDQzWnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:LsOdnQgKcdagrxbWnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>>>> news:KIidnbkWXeU6sRbWnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <bae(a)cs.toronto.no-uce.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:2010Feb28.211740.14436(a)jarvis.cs.toronto.edu...
>>>>>>>> In article <iK2dnZfGJ_rVhhbWnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>> dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:hpSdnVuXI-VzZhfWnZ2dnUVZ_r9i4p2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> john wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:mJednTVIrIRQaxfWnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> john wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.whale.to/b/bill_gates1.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reproductive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> health services, we could lower that [his initial 2050 global
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> population projection of 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> percent." ---Bill Gates
>>>>>>>>>>>>> With better health care, including vaccines and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reproductive health
>>>>>>>>>>>>> services, people have fewer children, leading to a lower
>>>>>>>>>>>>> increase in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> human population.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> he didn't say that, but nice attempt at spin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where did he say that?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please show I am wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gates may have been referring to hCG vaccine or other
>>>>>>>>>> anti-pregnancy
>>>>>>>>>> vaccines.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC44640/?log%24=activity
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't think so. Bill Gate's foundation has paid for a lot of
>>>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>>>> care in developing nations as well as vaccine development against
>>>>>>>>> infectious diseases.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Reproductive health services" means access to birth control. Like
>>>>>>>> women in developed countries, women in underdeveloped countries
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> prefer not to have more children than they can raise to healthy
>>>>>>>> adulthood. That option is not open to most of them now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Exactly. And a contraceptive vaccine that is effective for
>>>>>>> several years is likely to be more successful (and probably
>>>>>>> cheaper) than methods which rely on remembering to take pills on
>>>>>>> a daily basis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where there is better health (in part from vaccines and improved
>>>>>> access to health care), kids are more likely to make it to
>>>>>> adulthood, so adults don't need to have as many kids to ensure
>>>>>> that some of their kids will make it to adulthood.
>>>>>
>>>>> They don't need to but the evidence of population growth in most
>>>>> developing countries is that they still are.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Reproductive health care means more than birth control.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the context of reducing the current estimate of population in
>>>>> 2050 it probably doesn't mean much more than birth control.
>>>>
>>>> Yet, Bill Gates is interested in helping people in developing
>>>> nations in ways beyond just birth control.
>>>
>>> Nobody has said otherwise - but the best method of substantially
>>> reducing the projected 2050 population (which is what is being
>>> discussed, not his other philanthropic activities) is likely to be
>>> birth control rather than waiting for fertility to decline with
>>> improved life expectancy.
>>
>> When people are better off socioeconomically, they usually choose to
>> have fewer children. That's a big reason why the birth rate in the US
>> is lower than that in Africa.
>
> That may be so, but socio-economics wasn't mentioned in the quote by
> Gates -
> "If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
> reproductive health services, we could lower that
> [his initial 2050 global population projection of
> 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15 percent."

That quote is the only thing I saw that he said on the topic of
population growth.

However, in another talk, at Stanford University, he said, "Now,
fortunately, if you get health right, it brings population growth down,
and there's a lot of data that says that when you have more resources to
feed, to educate, these political pathologies you get in are less likely
to take place."

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/billg/speeches/2008/02-19Stanford.mspx

Jeff

From: Jan Drew on
On Mar 5, 6:53�pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> Blinky Bill wrote:
>
> > "dr_jeff" <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
> >news:ev6dnSBPpcNjDQzWnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
> >> Blinky Bill wrote:
>
> >>> "dr_jeff" <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
> >>>news:LsOdnQgKcdagrxbWnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
> >>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>
> >>>>> "dr_jeff" <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:KIidnbkWXeU6sRbWnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
> >>>>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> <b...(a)cs.toronto.no-uce.edu> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>news:2010Feb28.211740.14436(a)jarvis.cs.toronto.edu...
> >>>>>>>> In article <iK2dnZfGJ_rVhhbWnZ2dnUVZ_qSdn...(a)giganews.com>,
> >>>>>>>> dr_jeff �<u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>> "dr_jeff" <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>>news:hpSdnVuXI-VzZhfWnZ2dnUVZ_r9i4p2d(a)giganews.com...
> >>>>>>>>>>> john wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "dr_jeff" <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>>>>news:mJednTVIrIRQaxfWnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> john wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.whale.to/b/bill_gates1.html
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reproductive
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> health services, we could lower that [his initial 2050 global
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> population projection of 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> percent." ---Bill Gates
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> With better health care, including vaccines and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> reproductive health
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> services, people have fewer children, leading to a lower
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> increase in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> human population.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> he didn't say that, but nice attempt at spin
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Where did he say that?
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Please show I am wrong.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Gates may have been referring to hCG vaccine or other
> >>>>>>>>>> anti-pregnancy
> >>>>>>>>>> vaccines.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC44640/?log%24=activity
>
> >>>>>>>>> I don't think so. Bill Gate's foundation has paid for a lot of
> >>>>>>>>> health
> >>>>>>>>> care in developing nations as well as vaccine development against
> >>>>>>>>> infectious diseases.
>
> >>>>>>>> "Reproductive health services" means access to birth control. �Like
> >>>>>>>> women in developed countries, women in underdeveloped countries
> >>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>> prefer not to have more children than they can raise to healthy
> >>>>>>>> adulthood. �That option is not open to most of them now.
>
> >>>>>>> Exactly. And a contraceptive vaccine that is effective for
> >>>>>>> several years is likely to be more successful (and probably
> >>>>>>> cheaper) than methods which rely on remembering to take pills on
> >>>>>>> a daily basis.
>
> >>>>>> Where there is better health (in part from vaccines and improved
> >>>>>> access to health care), kids are more likely to make it to
> >>>>>> adulthood, so adults don't need to have as many kids to ensure
> >>>>>> that some of their kids will make it to adulthood.
>
> >>>>> They don't need to but the evidence of population growth in most
> >>>>> developing countries is that they still are.
>
> >>>>>> Reproductive health care means more than birth control.
>
> >>>>> In the context of reducing the current estimate of population in
> >>>>> 2050 it probably doesn't mean much more than birth control.
>
> >>>> Yet, Bill Gates is interested in helping people in developing
> >>>> nations in ways beyond just birth control.
>
> >>> Nobody has said otherwise - but the best method of substantially
> >>> reducing the projected 2050 population (which is what is being
> >>> discussed, not his other philanthropic activities) is likely to be
> >>> birth control rather than waiting for fertility to decline with
> >>> improved life expectancy.
>
> >> When people are better off socioeconomically, they usually choose to
> >> have fewer children. That's a big reason why the birth rate in the US
> >> is lower than that in Africa.
>
> > That may be so, but socio-economics wasn't mentioned in the quote by
> > Gates -
> > "If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
> > reproductive health services, we could lower that
> > [his initial 2050 global population projection of
> > 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15 percent."
>
> That quote is the only thing I saw that he said on the topic of
> population growth.
>
> However, in another talk, at Stanford University, he said, "Now,
> fortunately, if you get health right, it brings population growth down,
> and there's a lot of data that says that when you have more resources to
> feed, to educate, these political pathologies you get in are less likely
> to take place."
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/billg/speeches/2008/02-19Stan...
>
> Jeff

He is not a doctor, and neither are you.

From: Blinky Bill on


"dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
news:R7-dnSZvrrMdBAzWnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>> news:ev6dnSBPpcNjDQzWnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>>

<snip>

>>>>>>> Reproductive health care means more than birth control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the context of reducing the current estimate of population in 2050
>>>>>> it probably doesn't mean much more than birth control.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet, Bill Gates is interested in helping people in developing nations
>>>>> in ways beyond just birth control.
>>>>
>>>> Nobody has said otherwise - but the best method of substantially
>>>> reducing the projected 2050 population (which is what is being
>>>> discussed, not his other philanthropic activities) is likely to be
>>>> birth control rather than waiting for fertility to decline with
>>>> improved life expectancy.
>>>
>>> When people are better off socioeconomically, they usually choose to
>>> have fewer children. That's a big reason why the birth rate in the US is
>>> lower than that in Africa.
>>
>> That may be so, but socio-economics wasn't mentioned in the quote by
>> Gates -
>> "If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
>> reproductive health services, we could lower that
>> [his initial 2050 global population projection of
>> 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15 percent."
>
> That quote is the only thing I saw that he said on the topic of population
> growth.

Yep - let's just stick to that quote, which is what was being discussed.