From: dr_jeff on
Citizen Jimserac wrote:
> On Mar 1, 6:11 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>
>> You can also go here to learn more about the foundation:http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Pages/home.aspx
>
>
> Try HERE:
>
> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-na-gatesx7jan07-sg,0,2046572.storygallery
>
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> Citizen Jimserac

So there was an investigation. Big deal.
From: Peter B on

"john" <nospam(a)bt.com> wrote in message
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> "Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname(a)ratbags.com> wrote in message
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>> Jan Drew <jdrew63929(a)aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National institute of
>>>health declared, "the only safe vaccine is one that is never used."
>>
>> I pointed out only yesterday that this is a lie, Jan. Why do you keep
>> repeating it?
>>
>
> It is true, and if he didn't say it, prove it

That is so dumb, proving that something does not exist?

If you cannot prove it exists, it doesn't.


From: Peter Bowditch on
dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote:

>Peter Bowditch wrote:
>> Jan Drew <jdrew63929(a)aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 28, 9:30?pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National institute of
>>>>> health declared, "the only safe vaccine is one that is never used."
>>>> I have seen this "quote" before and I spent some time looking for
>>>> something that independently verifies that he actually said it and the
>>>> context it was taken from.
>>>>
>>>> So far, I cannot find anything.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have any direct proof that it was said, and in what context?
>>> Try http://www.Google.com/
>>> Results 1 - 10 of about 192,000 for Dr. James R. Shannon, former
>>> director of the National institute of health. (0.18 seconds)
>>>
>>> So much for Mark S Probert investigations skills.......
>>
>> Yes, he was a former director of the NIH. While he was there, and
>> AFTER he is supposed to have said that stupid thing about vaccines, he
>> headed the NIH's vaccination program.
>
>Context is everything. In what context did he say it? Was he commenting
>on that there is no totally safe treatment of anything? Even distilled
>water can kill if one gets too much or if it is contaminated by bacteria.
>
>Jeff

I tried to find out but the only place I could find the quote was on
anti-vaccination liar web sites. I think that if he said it at all it
was in the context of explaining that nothing can be totally risk
free. There is a chance he was talking about the "Cutter incident",
because he wrote a book about it.


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From: Citizen Jimserac on
On Mar 1, 5:07 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> CitizenJimseracwrote:
> > On Mar 1, 6:11 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>
> >> You can also go here to learn more about the foundation:http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Pages/home.aspx
>
> > Try HERE:
>
> >http://www.latimes.com/business/la-na-gatesx7jan07-sg,0,2046572.story...
>
> <copyrighted material deleted>
>
> > CitizenJimserac
>
> So there was an investigation. Big deal.

Perhaps you need to read the RESULTS of the investigation.

Apparently it's.... BIG DEALS.

Citizen Jimserac
From: Blinky Bill on


"dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
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> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>> news:KIidnbkWXeU6sRbWnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <bae(a)cs.toronto.no-uce.edu> wrote in message
>>>> news:2010Feb28.211740.14436(a)jarvis.cs.toronto.edu...
>>>>> In article <iK2dnZfGJ_rVhhbWnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>,
>>>>> dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:hpSdnVuXI-VzZhfWnZ2dnUVZ_r9i4p2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>>>> john wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:mJednTVIrIRQaxfWnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>>>>>> john wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.whale.to/b/bill_gates1.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care,
>>>>>>>>>>> reproductive
>>>>>>>>>>> health services, we could lower that [his initial 2050 global
>>>>>>>>>>> population projection of 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15
>>>>>>>>>>> percent." ---Bill Gates
>>>>>>>>>> With better health care, including vaccines and reproductive
>>>>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>>>>> services, people have fewer children, leading to a lower increase
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> human population.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> he didn't say that, but nice attempt at spin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where did he say that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please show I am wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gates may have been referring to hCG vaccine or other anti-pregnancy
>>>>>>> vaccines.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC44640/?log%24=activity
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think so. Bill Gate's foundation has paid for a lot of health
>>>>>> care in developing nations as well as vaccine development against
>>>>>> infectious diseases.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Reproductive health services" means access to birth control. Like
>>>>> women in developed countries, women in underdeveloped countries would
>>>>> prefer not to have more children than they can raise to healthy
>>>>> adulthood. That option is not open to most of them now.
>>>>
>>>> Exactly. And a contraceptive vaccine that is effective for several
>>>> years is likely to be more successful (and probably cheaper) than
>>>> methods which rely on remembering to take pills on a daily basis.
>>>
>>> Where there is better health (in part from vaccines and improved access
>>> to health care), kids are more likely to make it to adulthood, so adults
>>> don't need to have as many kids to ensure that some of their kids will
>>> make it to adulthood.
>>
>> They don't need to but the evidence of population growth in most
>> developing countries is that they still are.
>>
>>> Reproductive health care means more than birth control.
>>
>> In the context of reducing the current estimate of population in 2050 it
>> probably doesn't mean much more than birth control.
>
> Yet, Bill Gates is interested in helping people in developing nations in
> ways beyond just birth control.

Nobody has said otherwise - but the best method of substantially reducing
the projected 2050 population (which is what is being discussed, not his
other philanthropic activities) is likely to be birth control rather than
waiting for fertility to decline with improved life expectancy.


>
> Jeff
>