From: dr_jeff on
Peter Bowditch wrote:
> Jan Drew <jdrew63929(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 28, 9:30?pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National institute of
>>>> health declared, "the only safe vaccine is one that is never used."
>>> I have seen this "quote" before and I spent some time looking for
>>> something that independently verifies that he actually said it and the
>>> context it was taken from.
>>>
>>> So far, I cannot find anything.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any direct proof that it was said, and in what context?
>> Try http://www.Google.com/
>> Results 1 - 10 of about 192,000 for Dr. James R. Shannon, former
>> director of the National institute of health. (0.18 seconds)
>>
>> So much for Mark S Probert investigations skills.......
>
> Yes, he was a former director of the NIH. While he was there, and
> AFTER he is supposed to have said that stupid thing about vaccines, he
> headed the NIH's vaccination program.

Context is everything. In what context did he say it? Was he commenting
on that there is no totally safe treatment of anything? Even distilled
water can kill if one gets too much or if it is contaminated by bacteria.

Jeff
From: Citizen Jimserac on
On Mar 1, 6:11 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:

>
> You can also go here to learn more about the foundation:http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Pages/home.aspx


Try HERE:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-na-gatesx7jan07-sg,0,2046572.storygallery

from Francine Orr:
"These stories, the product of an 18-month investigation of the Bill &
Melinda Gates Foundation, are based in part on a review of hundreds of
foundation grant descriptions, policies, evaluation reports and tax
returns. Reporting included interviews with foundation and investment
experts; patients, medical professionals and administrators in
Lesotho, Rwanda, Nigeria, South Africa and other African nations; and
global health experts in Europe, Africa and the United States."

"Hundreds of scholarly articles, books and studies on philanthropy and
health conditions in Africa were reviewed, along with thousands of
pages of financial and performance data, reports and evaluations from
the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria, the GAVI
Alliance and other financing groups and aid organizations. Statistical
data on health conditions in Africa were obtained from the World
Health Organization, the World Bank and UNICEF, as well as national
ministries of health and nongovernmental organizations."

Citizen Jimserac
From: Citizen Jimserac on
On Mar 1, 4:34 am, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...(a)ariplex.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:40:33 -0800 (PST), Citizen Jimserac <jimse...(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Feb 28, 4:49 pm, "john" <nos...(a)bt.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.whale.to/b/bill_gates1.html
>
> >> "If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care, reproductive health
> >> services, we could lower that [his initial 2050 global population projection
> >> of 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15 percent." ---Bill Gates
>
> >There is ONLY ONE Bill Gates and he is THE SAME BILL GATES that he has
> >always been.
>
> And he is a criminal, the same criminal he was all the time.
>

For details of the Gates' "Foundation", see THIS LINK:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-na-gatesx7jan07-sg,0,2046572.storygallery

comments from Francine Orr on the series of Gates Foundation articles:

"These stories, the product of an 18-month investigation of the Bill &
Melinda Gates Foundation, are based in part on a review of hundreds of
foundation grant descriptions, policies, evaluation reports and tax
returns. Reporting included interviews with foundation and investment
experts; patients, medical professionals and administrators in
Lesotho, Rwanda, Nigeria, South Africa and other African nations; and
global health experts in Europe, Africa and the United States."

"Hundreds of scholarly articles, books and studies on philanthropy and
health conditions in Africa were reviewed, along with thousands of
pages of financial and performance data, reports and evaluations from
the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria, the GAVI
Alliance and other financing groups and aid organizations. Statistical
data on health conditions in Africa were obtained from the World
Health Organization, the World Bank and UNICEF, as well as national
ministries of health and nongovernmental organizations."

Citizen Jimserac

From: Peter B on
"Citizen Jimserac" <jimserac(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a147d2bc-f286-4f09-adfe-09f6b9b9d0a2(a)g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 1, 4:34 am, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...(a)ariplex.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:40:33 -0800 (PST), Citizen Jimserac
> <jimse...(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Feb 28, 4:49 pm, "john" <nos...(a)bt.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.whale.to/b/bill_gates1.html
>
> >> "If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care, reproductive
> >> health
> >> services, we could lower that [his initial 2050 global population
> >> projection
> >> of 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15 percent." ---Bill Gates
>
> >There is ONLY ONE Bill Gates and he is THE SAME BILL GATES that he
> >has
> >always been.
>
> And he is a criminal, the same criminal he was all the time.
>

For details of the Gates' "Foundation", see THIS LINK:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-na-gatesx7jan07-sg,0,2046572.storygallery

comments from Francine Orr on the series of Gates Foundation articles:

"These stories, the product of an 18-month investigation of the Bill &
Melinda Gates Foundation, are based in part on a review of hundreds of
foundation grant descriptions, policies, evaluation reports and tax
returns. Reporting included interviews with foundation and investment
experts; patients, medical professionals and administrators in
Lesotho, Rwanda, Nigeria, South Africa and other African nations; and
global health experts in Europe, Africa and the United States."

"Hundreds of scholarly articles, books and studies on philanthropy and
health conditions in Africa were reviewed, along with thousands of
pages of financial and performance data, reports and evaluations from
the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria, the GAVI
Alliance and other financing groups and aid organizations. Statistical
data on health conditions in Africa were obtained from the World
Health Organization, the World Bank and UNICEF, as well as national
ministries of health and nongovernmental organizations."

Citizen Jimserac
=======================================================
It is obvious from what you posted here that the report at best was made
from bits and pieces of the financial records from grant records, tax
reports (very generalized) and a whole lot of hearsay from people
irrelevant to the funds. Most anything can be construed/misconstrued.

Those people can be agenda driven and or playing games to get "their
share" of the foundation funds.

No interview with the foundation itself, nor the Gates family, nor
records at their places of business according to what you posted here.

Therefore you just posted your personal biases for your agenized
reasoning.
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From: john on

"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname(a)ratbags.com> wrote in message
news:2m2mo5ljjqf538h0gtjne3a1cm1puvmpjo(a)4ax.com...
> Jan Drew <jdrew63929(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
>>Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National institute of
>>health declared, "the only safe vaccine is one that is never used."
>
> I pointed out only yesterday that this is a lie, Jan. Why do you keep
> repeating it?
>

It is true, and if he didn't say it, prove it