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From: tforms1 on 6 Jun 2005 20:11
Hi everyone,

Ive had back pain on and off since I was young. About 5 years ago it
was constant for about 6 months, so I saw a doctor.
He took an x-ray and said I had retrolisthesis, and sent me to PT.

Now for the past month I've had a different kind of back pain.

Usually the pain is "muscular", sometimes when I lift weights
incorrectly, I pull a muscle and thats what I mean by "muscular"

But lately its..."spinal". Does that make sense? Like the pain isnt
my lower back muscle, but more from the center...my spine.

And when I bend I get a shooting pain to my testicles.

Anyway, couple of questions.

1. What are some recommended exercises for retrolisthesis?
When I went to PT, they did the normal back pain regimine...crunches,
stretching, etc. But thats for "normal" back pain, not for something
like retrolisthesis or spondolysthesis.

2. For retrolisthesis...is it bad to bend or arch the back?
I assume 1 is worse than the other.

I am trying to find a good doctor, but so far no luck, my Primary Care
Physician gave me the name of 4 doctors, but they are all surgions who
will not see me until I see a regular back doctor first, and they wont
tell me who to see.

So I got the name of a chiropractor from a friend.
I will ask the chiro to take 3 x-rays - standing, flexion, extension.

I read that I need all 3 to get an accurate diagnosis?

Thanks
-Tony

From: Mozart on 14 Jun 2005 18:01
tforms1(a)yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Ive had back pain on and off since I was young. About 5 years ago it
> was constant for about 6 months, so I saw a doctor.
> He took an x-ray and said I had retrolisthesis, and sent me to PT.
>
> Now for the past month I've had a different kind of back pain.
>
> Usually the pain is "muscular", sometimes when I lift weights
> incorrectly, I pull a muscle and thats what I mean by "muscular"
>
> But lately its..."spinal". Does that make sense? Like the pain isnt
> my lower back muscle, but more from the center...my spine.
>
> And when I bend I get a shooting pain to my testicles.
>
> Anyway, couple of questions.
>
> 1. What are some recommended exercises for retrolisthesis?
> When I went to PT, they did the normal back pain regimine...crunches,
> stretching, etc. But thats for "normal" back pain, not for something
> like retrolisthesis or spondolysthesis.
>
> 2. For retrolisthesis...is it bad to bend or arch the back?
> I assume 1 is worse than the other.
>
> I am trying to find a good doctor, but so far no luck, my Primary Care
> Physician gave me the name of 4 doctors, but they are all surgions who
> will not see me until I see a regular back doctor first, and they wont
> tell me who to see.
>
> So I got the name of a chiropractor from a friend.
> I will ask the chiro to take 3 x-rays - standing, flexion, extension.
>
> I read that I need all 3 to get an accurate diagnosis?
>
> Thanks
> -Tony

First, I am not a physician; however, I have had spinal disc surgery 10
years ago as a result of an acute incident. It would seem that you
should have an MRI as a beginning evaluation. You might also inquire
about visiting an orthopedic surgeon who specializes in the lumbar
spine area OR a neurosurgeon. These physicians will not see you unless
you bring in an MRI scan. Also, a physiatrist is an excellent way to
start. Physiatrists are physicians who specialize in physical therapy.
They are not PT's. The physiatrist may be able to order the MRI scan.
It sounds like you have a way to go here before you can obtain a
confirmed diagnosis.

From: Mike Poling on 15 Jun 2005 13:40
Reply to message from "Mozart" <mdkatz42(a)comcast.net> (Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:
01:23) about "Re: Back Problem (retrolisthesis?) and Some Questions":

Find a physiotherapist who is Mckenzie Certified . They will most likely be
able to help you. for more info see
www.mckenziemdt.org
This is the best treatment for discogenic LBP. MRI has been shown to be
only 35% successful in accurate diagnosis of spinal problems. A
physiotherapist with Mckenzie training will be far more helpful than a
physiatrist. Mike Poling M. Sc. PT


Bye
Mike Poling <mike_poling(a)hotmail.com> Wed, 15 Jun 2005 00:19:59 -0400

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"Mozart" <mdkatz42(a)comcast.net> Sent: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:01:23 writes:

tforms1(a)yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi everyone,

> Ive had back pain on and off since I was young. About 5 years ago it was
> constant for about 6 months, so I saw a doctor. He took an x-ray and
> said I had retrolisthesis, and sent me to PT.

> Now for the past month I've had a different kind of back pain.

> Usually the pain is "muscular", sometimes when I lift weights
> incorrectly, I pull a muscle and thats what I mean by "muscular"

> But lately its..."spinal". Does that make sense? Like the pain isnt my
> lower back muscle, but more from the center...my spine.

> And when I bend I get a shooting pain to my testicles.

> Anyway, couple of questions.

> 1. What are some recommended exercises for retrolisthesis? When I went
> to PT, they did the normal back pain regimine...crunches, stretching,
> etc. But thats for "normal" back pain, not for something like
> retrolisthesis or spondolysthesis.

> 2. For retrolisthesis...is it bad to bend or arch the back? I assume 1
> is worse than the other.

> I am trying to find a good doctor, but so far no luck, my Primary Care
> Physician gave me the name of 4 doctors, but they are all surgions who
> will not see me until I see a regular back doctor first, and they wont
> tell me who to see.

> So I got the name of a chiropractor from a friend. I will ask the chiro
> to take 3 x-rays - standing, flexion, extension.

> I read that I need all 3 to get an accurate diagnosis?

> Thanks
> -Tony

First, I am not a physician; however, I have had spinal disc surgery 10
years ago as a result of an acute incident. It would seem that you should
have an MRI as a beginning evaluation. You might also inquire about
visiting an orthopedic surgeon who specializes in the lumbar spine area OR
a neurosurgeon. These physicians will not see you unless you bring in an
MRI scan. Also, a physiatrist is an excellent way to start. Physiatrists
are physicians who specialize in physical therapy. They are not PT's. The
physiatrist may be able to order the MRI scan. It sounds like you have a
way to go here before you can obtain a confirmed diagnosis.

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