From: Jan Drew on 11 Oct 2009 00:15
On Oct 9, 4:48ï¿½pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...(a)ariplex.com>
From: Jan Drew on 11 Oct 2009 00:23
On Oct 9, 8:03ï¿½pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 9, 4:55ï¿½pm, PeterB <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 9, 4:29ï¿½pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Oct 9, 3:48ï¿½pm, "trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com |"
> > > <trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Oct 9, 12:28ï¿½pm, Mark Thorson <nos...(a)sonic.net> wrote:
> > > > > Excellent article in New England Journal of Medicine
> > > > > about contamination in the severly underregulated
> > > > > dietary supplements business. ï¿½Many products contain
> > > > > dangerous, unapproved drugs, and yet the public is
> > > > > largely unaware how bad the situation is. ï¿½A majority
> > > > > of the public and even a third of medical students
> > > > > wrongly believe that supplements have to be approved
> > > > > by a government agency.
> > > > >http://healthcarereform.nejm.org/?p=2017&query=home
> > > > > The dietary supplement industry is a dirty business,
> > > > > sorely in need of reform.
> > > > Ha unapproved drugs they call them. I'll bet
> > > > they include alot of perfectly safe ingredients
> > > > in their list of "unapproved drugs,"
> > > > I wouldn't trust most proposed reforms other than
> > > > perhaps a bit more funding and monitoring to prevent
> > > > pharma drugs and toxics being slipped in by
> > > > crooks.
> > > I would like to see:
> > > 1. Mandatory reporting of all adverse events, lawsuits, etc.
> > > 2. Complete disclosure of all ingredients, and banning the term
> > > "Proprietary bland" etc.
> > > 3. Requirement that there be some standard of efficacy.
> > > For starters.
> > There is substantial "GMP" compliance by most of the reputable
> > manufacturers, and many provide certified assays on request. ï¿½
> Years ago, a doctor gave me a can of a supplement touted to treat
> ADHD. It smelled pretty good, so we decided to try it on my son. ï¿½The
> problem was, it would not dissolve. It created a thick, gritty soupy
> material that he would not touch, and, I found unpalatable.
> I wrote to the manufacturer who refused to tell me the contents (that
> is what a proprietary blend is).
> Since we could not use it for the intended purpose, I used it in my
> vegetable garden along with home made compost.
> Best vegetables ever.
> So, I wrote the manufacturer an endorsement of their product as a
> fertilizer. I even sent them a zucchini, just so they could see how
> good it was and posted it on their website.
> They were not too happy.
> Since a
> > large percentage of these products are made using pharmaceutically-
> > made materials,
> That bears being proven by you.
> > some of this problem rests with the drug makers.-
> Nah. The problems rest with the whole idea of supplements. A balanced
> diet does a fine job and no supplements are needed.
*Anecdotes are not facts. They are, at best interesting stories. At
worst, outright lies.* Mark Probert
From: Jan Drew on 11 Oct 2009 00:30
On Oct 10, 1:06ï¿½am, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...(a)ariplex.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:00:02 -0700 (PDT), "trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com |"
> <trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 3. Requirement that there be some standard of efficacy.
> >> For starters.
> >The last requirement is evil, wicked, and corrupt
> >when one looks how the EU is doing it regulation of
> >supplements. It is all to easy for government to
> >deny, drag their feet, and ignore the science and
> >then demand excessive levels of evidence and/or
Posts up to 703 in 10 days.
From: Jan Drew on 11 Oct 2009 00:34
On Oct 10, 12:42ï¿½pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...(a)ariplex.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 03:37:35 -0700 (PDT), "trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com |"
> <trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >Just give it a bit time. And look at the
> >crazy proposed UL for supplements, those
> >are stupid. And look at the crazy restrictive
> >list of acceptable vitamin forms that
> >are allowed in supplements. It doesn't include
> >tocotrienols, gamma tocopherol, and
> >a whole list of obviously safe nutrients and
> >nutrient like substances.
> I am not too much interested in that vitamin scene,
A pity that.
but I have seen how the MLM
This thread is not about MLM.
Make a note of it Rodnay.
From: Jan Drew on 11 Oct 2009 00:36
On Oct 10, 2:50ï¿½pm, Mark Thorson <nos...(a)sonic.net>