From: Happy Oyster on
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:06:12 -0700 (PDT), "trigonometry1972(a)gmail.com |"
<trigonometry1972(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>The maxim "the dose makes the poison" comes to mind.

Then you should look at the dosage: FULL in the strong poisonous range!

D3 and D4 for sure are STRONG poisonous dilutions.
--
Bettina Raddatz:
"Treu & Glauben, Hinter den Kulissen eines Wirtschaftsskandals"

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_treu.htm
From: trigonometry1972 on
On Oct 9, 10:09 pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...(a)ariplex.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:06:12 -0700 (PDT), "trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com |"
>
> <trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >The maxim "the dose makes the poison" comes to mind.
>
> Then you should look at the dosage: FULL in the strong poisonous range!
>
> D3 and D4 for sure are STRONG poisonous dilutions.
> --
>                            Bettina Raddatz:
>     "Treu & Glauben, Hinter den Kulissen eines Wirtschaftsskandals"
>
>                  http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_treu.htm

Exactly.
From: trigonometry1972 on
On Oct 9, 10:06 pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...(a)ariplex.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:00:02 -0700 (PDT), "trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com |"
>
> <trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 3. Requirement that there be some standard of efficacy.
>
> >> For starters.
>
> >The last requirement is evil, wicked, and corrupt
> >when one looks how the EU is doing it regulation of
> >supplements. It is all to easy for government to
> >deny, drag their feet, and ignore the science and
> >then demand excessive levels of evidence and/or
>
> No.

Yes. You are wrong.

Just give it a bit time. And look at the
crazy proposed UL for supplements, those
are stupid. And look at the crazy restrictive
list of acceptable vitamin forms that
are allowed in supplements. It doesn't include
tocotrienols, gamma tocopherol, and
a whole list of obviously safe nutrients and
nutrient like substances.

...........................Trig






> --
>                            Bettina Raddatz:
>     "Treu & Glauben, Hinter den Kulissen eines Wirtschaftsskandals"
>
>                  http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_treu.htm

From: Happy Oyster on
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 03:37:35 -0700 (PDT), "trigonometry1972(a)gmail.com |"
<trigonometry1972(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>Just give it a bit time. And look at the
>crazy proposed UL for supplements, those
>are stupid. And look at the crazy restrictive
>list of acceptable vitamin forms that
>are allowed in supplements. It doesn't include
>tocotrienols, gamma tocopherol, and
>a whole list of obviously safe nutrients and
>nutrient like substances.

I am not too much interested in that vitamin scene, but I have seen how the MLM
fraudsters tried to push some alien plants into the market, from Noni to (now)
Acai. There is one barrier: the "novel food" rules. This bars off quite a lot of
messe. The reduction to just a few ingredients makes the scene more transparent
for the consumers.

On the other hand the producers still can go on in their crimes as intensive as
they want, becaus in vast areas the contents may not be published, but only
declared as "mixtures of aromas", of the like.

The best food still is fresh from the market. I agree with those who say:
"Support your local farmer!"

Oh, did I tell you, that I am a farmer? ;O)
--
Bettina Raddatz:
"Treu & Glauben, Hinter den Kulissen eines Wirtschaftsskandals"

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_treu.htm
From: Mark Thorson on
"trigonometry1972(a)gmail.com |" wrote:
>
> Just give it a bit time. And look at the
> crazy proposed UL for supplements, those
> are stupid. And look at the crazy restrictive
> list of acceptable vitamin forms that
> are allowed in supplements. It doesn't include
> tocotrienols, gamma tocopherol, and
> a whole list of obviously safe nutrients and
> nutrient like substances.

You are clueless, and it is right for the government
to protect you from your ignorance. Tocotrienols,
for example, activate the SXR receptor and the
subsequent cascade of xenobiotic clearance
mechanisms. This can accelerate drug clearance,
which can cause failure of drugs like birth control
drugs and the anti-rejection drug cyclosporin.
Unwanted pregnancy and organ rejection have been
triggered by supplements that are SXR agonists.
Tocotrienols are obviously unsafe in the hands
of anyone who considers them "obviously safe".
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