From: PeterB on
On Oct 12, 9:26 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 12, 9:08 pm, PeterB <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 12, 2:18 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 12, 12:43 pm, PeterB <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 10, 10:29 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Oct 10, 1:00 am, "trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com |"
>
> > > > > <trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Oct 9, 1:29 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Oct 9, 3:48 pm, "trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com |"
>
> > > > > > > <trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Oct 9, 12:28 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...(a)sonic.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Excellent article in New England Journal of Medicine
> > > > > > > > > about contamination in the severly underregulated
> > > > > > > > > dietary supplements business.  Many products contain
> > > > > > > > > dangerous, unapproved drugs, and yet the public is
> > > > > > > > > largely unaware how bad the situation is.  A majority
> > > > > > > > > of the public and even a third of medical students
> > > > > > > > > wrongly believe that supplements have to be approved
> > > > > > > > > by a government agency.
>
> > > > > > > > >http://healthcarereform.nejm.org/?p=2017&query=home
>
> > > > > > > > > The dietary supplement industry is a dirty business,
> > > > > > > > > sorely in need of reform.
>
> > > > > > > > Ha unapproved drugs they call them. I'll bet
> > > > > > > > they include alot of perfectly safe ingredients
> > > > > > > > in their list of "unapproved drugs,"
> > > > > > > > I wouldn't trust most proposed reforms other than
> > > > > > > > perhaps a bit more funding and monitoring to prevent
> > > > > > > > pharma drugs and toxics being slipped in by
> > > > > > > > crooks.
>
> > > > > > > I would like to see:
>
> > > > > > > 1. Mandatory reporting of all adverse events, lawsuits, etc.
>
> > > > > > > 2. Complete disclosure of all ingredients, and banning the term
> > > > > > > "Proprietary bland" etc.
>
> > > > > > > 3. Requirement that there be some standard of efficacy.
>
> > > > > > > For starters.
>
> > > > > > The last requirement is evil, wicked, and corrupt
> > > > > > when one looks how the EU is doing it regulation of
> > > > > > supplements.
>
> > > > > I usully try to ignore the EU since there is enough action here.
>
> > > > > It is all to easy for government to
>
> > > > > > deny, drag their feet, and ignore the science and
> > > > > > then demand excessive levels of evidence and/or
> > > > > > wring their hands about safety to the point of
> > > > > > absolute stupidity.
>
> > > > > That is precisely what the FDA wrt Thalidomide.
>
> > > > > > Vitamins and nutrients are not drugs.
>
> > > > > However, when medical claims are made, they have to be substantiated
> > > > > by something more than saleshype.
>
> > > > > > Understand putting something on the market without
> > > > > > a clear claim should be an option as well.
>
> > > > > Caveat emptor.
>
> > > > > > I do agree their should be full content disclosure.
> > > > > > And I believe the US FDA already has the power on that
> > > > > > point if they chose to exercise it.
>
> > > > > No, they do not. I have had this issue with the FDA and FTC and
> > > > > they do not have it.
>
> > > > FDA may not have unique enforcement over supplements, but they have
> > > > the power to warn the public about products (herbs, for instance) they
> > > > consider potentially harmful.  For example, Kava.   Why isn't FDA
> > > > warning about more than a tiny percentage of supplements?  
>
> > > Most supplements are "do nothings", thus neither harmful or
> > > beneficial for most people. The FDA, wisely, stays out of this
> > > quagmire.
>
> > False.  Most dietary supplements are designed to improve overall
> > nutritional status and do so.  The term "do nothing" more aptly
> > describes prescription drugs which, except for their ability to cause
> > dangerous side effects, fail to treat or prevent almost any disease.
> > If I'm wrong, where is the published evidence?  Oh, that's right.  You
> > don't believe in the medical literature.
>
> > > > It's because, despite decades of use by the public, there is little
> > > > evidence of harm exceeding low-level allergic reactions in the vast
> > > > majority of such products.  Even Kava is not proven to be harmful in
> > > > isolation from pre-existing hepatic disease or the use of alcohol.  As
> > > > for FTC, it's scope of powers combined with DSHEA does provide a
> > > > framework for safety that has been working just fine.   Your sponsors
> > > > may not like it, but that's too bad.
>
> > > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/f569f86c8ed22f4e-
>
> > > Prove I have sponsors. Oh, that is right, I gave you the opportunity
> > > to do so, and make some money while doing it, and you weaseled
> > > out of it.
>
> > Your own words prove it.  As someone famously once said, "You cannot
> > serve two masters."
>
> Correct. I serve the truth.
>
> Now, prove I have any other motivation.
>
> Cue the weaseling.

The weaseling begins with your inability (or unwillingness) to answer
a question. You did not respond to the following point:

Most dietary supplements are designed to improve overall nutritional
status, and do so. The term "do nothing" more aptly describes
prescription drugs which, except for their ability to cause dangerous
side effects, fail to treat or prevent almost any disease. If I'm
wrong, where is the published evidence? Oh, that's right. You don't
believe in the medical literature. You can't even post a list of
medical books or sources that would have (for a legitimate poster)
informed your views and opinions.

From: PeterB on
On Oct 12, 11:32 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote:
> In message <aa44fbda-9e3b-48a8-a651-399c60058...(a)k13g2000prh.googlegroups..com>, trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com | wrote:
>
> > Vitamins and nutrients are not drugs.
>
> Of course not.  That's why anyone bringing a new product
> to market should call it a "dietary supplement" or
> "nutrient" instead.  Boyd Haley, for instance, has
> discovered that a chemical used for cleaning up
> Superfund sites is a nutrient and is marketing it
> as such, with the usual wink and nudge about how it
> might chelate vaccine-induced toxins from children.
>
> His safety trials consisted of his cat and some
> goldfish.

At least he isn't killing people. Your sponsors should hire him and
start farming goldfish.

From: trigonometry1972 on
On Oct 9, 1:42 pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...(a)ariplex.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:01:08 -0700 (PDT), catherine hoffman
>
> <choffman0...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >I know quite a bit about the FDA, but I didn't know that they did not
> >regulate the supplements. Is that also true for MLM companies?
>
> MLM is a crime.
> --
>                            Bettina Raddatz:
>     "Treu & Glauben, Hinter den Kulissen eines Wirtschaftsskandals"
>
>                  http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_treu.htm

It not a crime if it's legal. It is just an expensive
way of doing things for the bottom end consumer.
From: trigonometry1972 on
On Oct 12, 4:34 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 12, 2:30 pm, "t" <tool...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:45271036-9513-443d-a3de-23280fbe0cf1(a)q14g2000vbi.googlegroups.com....
> > On Oct 12, 10:45 am, "t" <tool...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > <trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:445e3497-5789-42c0-a771-6f82104cb5ed(a)12g2000pri.googlegroups.com....
> > > On Oct 12, 5:00 am, "t" <tool...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:e8cac353-a30a-41ea-8c30-65b59a632ae6(a)f10g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Oct 11, 12:13 am, Jan Drew <jdrew63...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Oct 9, 4:30 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Oct 9, 4:11 pm, "trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com |"
>
> > > > > > <trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Oct 9, 1:01 pm, catherine hoffman <choffman0...(a)gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Oct 9, 12:28 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...(a)sonic.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Excellent article in New England Journal of Medicine
> > > > > > > > > about contamination in the severly underregulated
> > > > > > > > > dietary supplements business. Many products contain
> > > > > > > > > dangerous, unapproved drugs, and yet the public is
> > > > > > > > > largely unaware how bad the situation is. A majority
> > > > > > > > > of the public and even a third of medical students
> > > > > > > > > wrongly believe that supplements have to be approved
> > > > > > > > > by a government agency.
>
> > > > > > > > >http://healthcarereform.nejm.org/?p=2017&query=home
>
> > > > > > > > > The dietary supplement industry is a dirty business,
> > > > > > > > > sorely in need of reform.
>
> > > > > > > > WoW!,
> > > > > > > > I know quite a bit about the FDA, but I didn't know that they
> > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > regulate the supplements. Is that also true for MLM companies?
>
> > > > > > > Its not they don't have enough authority rather they choose
> > > > > > > not to enforce it.
>
> > > > > > Incorrect. They do not have enough authority. DSHEA.
>
> > > > >http://www.naturalnews.com/z008269_health_medicine_organized_medicine...
>
> > > > > Why organized medicine wants to outlaw nutrition and turn healers into
> > > > > criminals
> > > > > by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor
>
> > > > No one wants to outlaw nutrition.
> > > > Prove it.
>
> > > But some want it to know its place. LOL
> > > There are those who would suppress freedom of
> > > speech on topic here in the States.
>
> > > Just can me Uncle, Young Master..................Trig
> > > As there are some who would suppress simple freedom here and everywhere.-
>
> > Yes, Jan Drew, who tells people to shut up and posts their personal
> > information, you, etc.
>
> > I have never seen an evidence based poster who does what you and your
> > ilk do.-
>
> So?
>
> Once again you screwed up the attributions. This is demonstrative of a
> borderline personality.

To post anything on MHA is a sign of
borderline personality disorder and that
includes everyone here.

Glass houses attract flying bricks....
.................................................Trig
From: Happy Oyster on
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:10:32 -0700 (PDT), PeterB <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 12, 3:47�pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...(a)ariplex.com> wrote:
>
>nothing intelligible


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