From: trigonometry1972 on
On Oct 12, 5:00 am, "t" <tool...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e8cac353-a30a-41ea-8c30-65b59a632ae6(a)f10g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 11, 12:13 am, Jan Drew <jdrew63...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 9, 4:30 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 9, 4:11 pm, "trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com |"
>
> > > <trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Oct 9, 1:01 pm, catherine hoffman <choffman0...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Oct 9, 12:28 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...(a)sonic.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Excellent article in New England Journal of Medicine
> > > > > > about contamination in the severly underregulated
> > > > > > dietary supplements business. Many products contain
> > > > > > dangerous, unapproved drugs, and yet the public is
> > > > > > largely unaware how bad the situation is. A majority
> > > > > > of the public and even a third of medical students
> > > > > > wrongly believe that supplements have to be approved
> > > > > > by a government agency.
>
> > > > > >http://healthcarereform.nejm.org/?p=2017&query=home
>
> > > > > > The dietary supplement industry is a dirty business,
> > > > > > sorely in need of reform.
>
> > > > > WoW!,
> > > > > I know quite a bit about the FDA, but I didn't know that they did
> > > > > not
> > > > > regulate the supplements. Is that also true for MLM companies?
>
> > > > Its not they don't have enough authority rather they choose
> > > > not to enforce it.
>
> > > Incorrect. They do not have enough authority. DSHEA.
>
> >http://www.naturalnews.com/z008269_health_medicine_organized_medicine...
>
> > Why organized medicine wants to outlaw nutrition and turn healers into
> > criminals
> > by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor
>
> No one wants to outlaw nutrition.
> Prove it.

But some want it to know its place. LOL
There are those who would suppress freedom of
speech on topic here in the States.

Just can me Uncle, Young Master..................Trig
From: t on

<trigonometry1972(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:445e3497-5789-42c0-a771-6f82104cb5ed(a)12g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 12, 5:00 am, "t" <tool...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e8cac353-a30a-41ea-8c30-65b59a632ae6(a)f10g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 11, 12:13 am, Jan Drew <jdrew63...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 9, 4:30 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 9, 4:11 pm, "trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com |"
>
> > > <trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Oct 9, 1:01 pm, catherine hoffman <choffman0...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Oct 9, 12:28 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...(a)sonic.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Excellent article in New England Journal of Medicine
> > > > > > about contamination in the severly underregulated
> > > > > > dietary supplements business. Many products contain
> > > > > > dangerous, unapproved drugs, and yet the public is
> > > > > > largely unaware how bad the situation is. A majority
> > > > > > of the public and even a third of medical students
> > > > > > wrongly believe that supplements have to be approved
> > > > > > by a government agency.
>
> > > > > >http://healthcarereform.nejm.org/?p=2017&query=home
>
> > > > > > The dietary supplement industry is a dirty business,
> > > > > > sorely in need of reform.
>
> > > > > WoW!,
> > > > > I know quite a bit about the FDA, but I didn't know that they did
> > > > > not
> > > > > regulate the supplements. Is that also true for MLM companies?
>
> > > > Its not they don't have enough authority rather they choose
> > > > not to enforce it.
>
> > > Incorrect. They do not have enough authority. DSHEA.
>
> >http://www.naturalnews.com/z008269_health_medicine_organized_medicine...
>
> > Why organized medicine wants to outlaw nutrition and turn healers into
> > criminals
> > by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor
>
> No one wants to outlaw nutrition.
> Prove it.

But some want it to know its place. LOL
There are those who would suppress freedom of
speech on topic here in the States.

Just can me Uncle, Young Master..................Trig
As there are some who would suppress simple freedom here and everywhere.

From: Bob Officer on
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:44:54 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
"trigonometry1972(a)gmail.com |" <trigonometry1972(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>boswellia

http://www.chinese-herbs.org/boswellia/boswellia-side-effects-and-interactions.html

<Cite>

Side Effects:

* Stomach pain;
* Diarrhea;
* Skin rash, burning;
* Stomach discomfort, including nausea;
* Acid reflux (heartburn);
* A feeling of fullness in stomach;

* Chest pain
* Tightness in your throat or chest
* Breathing problem
* Swollen skin
* Skin hives, rash, or itchy skin

Some studies reported the irritation of the skin from a multiherb
product containing boswellia. And allergic contact dermatitis has
been associated with the use of a naturopathic cream containing the
herb extract.

* Supplements that may have anticancer properties (mistletoe -
Viscum album)
* Cholesterol-lowering supplements (such as garlic - Allium
sativum)
* Antifungal agents (such as tea tree oil - Melaleuca
alternifolia)
* Supplements used to treat joint diseases (such as glucosamine
or chondroitin)

Use the herb with caution and with your doctor�s supervising.

<cite>

The article doesn't discuss any standardizing method of extract or
the variability of the active ingrediant.

In a quick scan (about 20 minutes and about 100 web sites) across the
web, I found hundreds of quackery type sites, all selling this
extract for dozens in different ailments and conditions including one
touting it as a treatment for brain tumors. I did find several of web
sites were actually self-referencing, they may have had different
domain names but were actually owned and operated by the same person
or company.

None of them actually had any sort of serious study or discussion on
the efficacy of the treatment.


--
Bob Officer
Posting the truth
http://www.skeptics.com.au
From: PeterB on
On Oct 11, 11:33 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote:
> In message <1dc61f98-40e0-45b7-9a80-f60946e81...(a)o13g2000vbl.googlegroups..com>, PeterB wrote:
>
> > There is substantial "GMP" compliance by most of the reputable
> > manufacturers, and many provide certified assays on request.  Since a
> > large percentage of these products are made using pharmaceutically-
> > made materials, some of this problem rests with the drug makers.
>
> Hell, a lot of these products *are* pharmaceuticals.  They include
> anything and everything from lead oxides to sildenafil citrate
> and barbiturates, with side trips into the amphetamine family.

None that I use. If you aren't willing to name these products and
their mftrs, where are you getting this?

> The only difference is that they're strictly /caveat/ /emptor/
> with no requirements that the purchaser even be informed what's
> in them.  Turn the clock back to the 19th century and Lydia
> Pinkham's Elixir.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! FDA "regulation" permitted Vioxx, HRT, and hundreds
of other drugs to be "safely" consumed by millions for MANY years
before saying "oops." You may not know that FTC is authorized to both
challenge and sue supplement makers who make invalid claims, and they
do so. One notable example from the 1990s was Metagenics, a
respected supplement maker whose product "Bone Builder" claimed to
support osteoblast activity in humans. FTC took them to court. They
lost. The company had the studies to back them up. Despite the fact
that these companies sometimes do make exaggerated claims, most of
their claims pale in comparison to the marketing hype used by the drug
makers. Except for brief toxicologies lasting several months, most
drugs have not been proven to cure or prevent disease using real
health outcomes in real people. But don't let the facts get in your
way.
From: PeterB on
On Oct 12, 12:26 am, "Existential Angst" <UNfit...(a)UNoptonline.net>
wrote:
> "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0d5ded53-5b3e-4d4b-af61-31a09ac32a2a(a)j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 11, 10:04 am, "Existential Angst" <UNfit...(a)UNoptonline.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:6f235396-4aac-4704-befd-569fcf15bd69(a)m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com....
> > On Oct 9, 4:55 pm, PeterB <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 9, 4:29 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 9, 3:48 pm, "trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com |"
>
> > > > <trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Oct 9, 12:28 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...(a)sonic.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Excellent article in New England Journal of Medicine
> > > > > > about contamination in the severly underregulated
> > > > > > dietary supplements business. Many products contain
> > > > > > dangerous, unapproved drugs, and yet the public is
> > > > > > largely unaware how bad the situation is. A majority
> > > > > > of the public and even a third of medical students
> > > > > > wrongly believe that supplements have to be approved
> > > > > > by a government agency.
>
> > > > > >http://healthcarereform.nejm.org/?p=2017&query=home
>
> > > > > > The dietary supplement industry is a dirty business,
> > > > > > sorely in need of reform.
>
> > > > > Ha unapproved drugs they call them. I'll bet
> > > > > they include alot of perfectly safe ingredients
> > > > > in their list of "unapproved drugs,"
> > > > > I wouldn't trust most proposed reforms other than
> > > > > perhaps a bit more funding and monitoring to prevent
> > > > > pharma drugs and toxics being slipped in by
> > > > > crooks.
>
> > > > I would like to see:
>
> > > > 1. Mandatory reporting of all adverse events, lawsuits, etc.
>
> > > > 2. Complete disclosure of all ingredients, and banning the term
> > > > "Proprietary bland" etc.
>
> > > > 3. Requirement that there be some standard of efficacy.
>
> > > > For starters.
>
> > > There is substantial "GMP" compliance by most of the reputable
> > > manufacturers, and many provide certified assays on request.
>
> > Years ago, a doctor gave me a can of a supplement touted to treat
> > ADHD. It smelled pretty good, so we decided to try it on my son. The
> > problem was, it would not dissolve. It created a thick, gritty soupy
> > material that he would not touch, and, I found unpalatable.
>
> > I wrote to the manufacturer who refused to tell me the contents (that
> > is what a proprietary blend is).
>
> > Since we could not use it for the intended purpose, I used it in my
> > vegetable garden along with home made compost.
>
> > Best vegetables ever.
>
> > So, I wrote the manufacturer an endorsement of their product as a
> > fertilizer. I even sent them a zucchini, just so they could see how
> > good it was and posted it on their website.
>
> > They were not too happy.
> > ===========================================
>
> > Really? You deluded yourself with the notion that they did anything more
> > than delete you note?
>
> Could you explain that as soon as you figure out what you said?
>
>
>
>
>
> > -------------------------------------------
>
> > Since a
>
> > > large percentage of these products are made using pharmaceutically-
> > > made materials,
>
> > That bears being proven by you.
>
> > > some of this problem rests with the drug makers.-
>
> > Nah. The problems rest with the whole idea of supplements. A balanced
> > diet does a fine job and no supplements are needed.
> > ===============================================
>
> > So I guess you re-balance yer diet each time the RDA is changed, eh?
>
> > Let's see.... How can I quantify the ignorance of your statement....
> > Let's see.... OH, I GOT IT!!!
>
> > ""Even the AMA endorses multivites!!!""
>
> So? I make sure my diet is balanced. I do not care what the RDA's are,
> as I consume enough to ensure I am well. My recent full physical went
> well, with an extensive blood work up that was totally normal.
> ===================================================
>
> And of course *you know* the statistical basis of these lab tests; *you
> know* the epidemiology behind the DRIs/RDAs, *you understand* the biochem
> behind these lab tests (well, clearly you don't, otherwise you wouldn't be
> so smug about your """normal""" values), *you understand* the biochemistry
> behind the DRIs/RDAs that can be biochemically determined, *you know* the
> signficance of the ULs in the 2006 Inst of Med's summary book on the DRIs
> (which you've of course read, right?), *you've read* the 1974 Annals of the
> NY Academy of Sciences on Vit C, so of course you're getting enough.....
> right?
>
> You know all this, right?
> Yeah, right.
> You parrot what you read in the newspapers, and don't have an original -- or
> correct -- thought in your flat balding head.
> --
> EA

Since Markey doesn't or can't read, he won't be able to respond
intelligently. He will probably wait for Yappy to help him out.


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