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From: Alan B. Mac Farlane on 4 Aug 2008 09:17
in article XqydnaSaTpSFugvVnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com, Elizabeth at
esnively(a)earthlink.net wrote on 8/3/08 2:46 PM:

> Synthroid for almost 9
> weeks now. Just before I hit 6 weeks, I began having a delay in falling
> asleep and a fine tremor in my hands at night.


Dearest of El-za-beths ...

Try to remember that you are taking crank case oil and not human thyroixine
made by you for you.

So being on some Rx crank ... this is a kind of speed, a kind of methadrine
.... it being one of the 'ine' substances like cocaine or gasoline or
kerosine.

I suggest that it is the crank, the 'ine' your are taking into your 'ine'
receptors that is speeding you up, cranking you up more then you are used to
... the hormone is driving your defense structure instead of you.

In the past your driving was a bit to much such is why you burned out your
thyroid ... and still your driving is off sorry to say.

The fix ... well is to fix the driving.

Try barking up another scientific tree called Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
.... sleeplessness, tremors, twitching, spasticity of the muscles,
nightmares, hyperalertness, difficulty being with people, on and on the
symptoms go.

Sounds like hyperthyroid symptoms ... big yeah ... but they hormones are
driving what is already there to manifest and make bigger. If it wasn't
there ... no matter how much your drove it on ... it would not be making it
up in your life.

Hope that makes sense through the brain fog.

sumbuddie luvs ya El-za-beth

:)

From: Elizabeth on 4 Aug 2008 11:09
"Elizabeth" <esnively(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:XqydnaSaTpSFugvVnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I have been at what should be my maintenance dose of Synthroid for almost
> 9 weeks now. Just before I hit 6 weeks, I began having a delay in falling
> asleep and a fine tremor in my hands at night. A couple days ago, I
> switched from taking my dose in the morning to just before bed, but it is
> still taking me 2-3 hours to fall asleep at night and now I have the
> tremor in the mornings.
>
> My question is, should I wait a while and see if these symptoms go away,
> or should I decrease my dose? I am not in physical or mental distress at
> this point, but I certainly wouldn't want to live like this for too long.
> I have had these symptoms before, but they usually happen right after an
> increase and settle down within 2-3 weeks.
>
> Thanks for your opinions,
> Elizabeth
>

Hi everyone,

Thank you for your input. I was able to fall asleep pretty easily last
night, and the tremor has subsided a little today. I am not sure what I
was/am experiencing for the past few weeks, but at I can wait a little and
see what happens. Either I was so exhausted that I was able to overcome it
for one night, or perhaps it is a temporary problem.

Never did I think I would be afflicted with such a strange health issue. I
can never predict exactly how I'll feel from day to day. Some stability
would be nice. On the other hand, at least I get a little relief from time
to time.

Elizabeth


From: Elizabeth on 4 Aug 2008 11:13
Amanita,

Do you follow the bloodwork or just symptoms? My TSH is at about 1 and T4 is
over mid-range. T3 is still below mid-range. My current doc won't let me go
up any more on Synthroid, and I'm not sure I want to just yet. Perhaps you
are right, but how do you know when to stop? If you don't mind, what are
your numbers, and have you ever gone "hyper" yourself?

I am still on the waiting list for a D.O. who prescribes Armour as well as
slow-release T3, etc.

Thanks,
Elizabeth


"amanita" <tiredofspam(a)ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Elizabeth wrote:
>> I have been at what should be my maintenance dose of Synthroid for almost
>> 9 weeks now. Just before I hit 6 weeks, I began having a delay in falling
>> asleep and a fine tremor in my hands at night. A couple days ago, I
>> switched from taking my dose in the morning to just before bed, but it is
>> still taking me 2-3 hours to fall asleep at night and now I have the
>> tremor in the mornings.
>>
>> My question is, should I wait a while and see if these symptoms go away,
>> or should I decrease my dose? I am not in physical or mental distress at
>> this point, but I certainly wouldn't want to live like this for too long.
>> I have had these symptoms before, but they usually happen right after an
>> increase and settle down within 2-3 weeks.
>
> Elizabeth, my opinion based on my own experience, is that you are most
> likely still underdosed. Being unable to fall asleep is always a sign for
> me that my dose is too low. I have proved this theory to myself many times
> by actually taking some of my next days dose early! Within a short time, I
> will feel my body relax and I soon fall asleep.
>
> I also can get quite shaky when my levels are low. If you were getting the
> hand tremor soon after taking your dose (i.e. when your T4 level would be
> peaking), it might indicate overdose. But you seem to be saying that the
> tremor is not happening until several hours after taking your dose, which
> implies that the T4 level in your body is reducing.
>
> How did you achieve the switch to night time dosing? Did you take two
> doses in the same day, or did you skip the morning dose and wait until
> bedtime before taking it? Any increase in absorption you might get from
> night time dosing will probably take a while to build up.


From: Elizabeth on 4 Aug 2008 11:36
Amanita,

I forgot to answer your question as to how I switched the time of my dosing.
One day I took it in the early afternoon instead of the morning, then the
next day I switched to the late evening, so I lost a little dosing in the
process.

Elizabeth


"amanita" <tiredofspam(a)ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:Xjylk.131967$9I1.122289(a)newsfe16.ams2...
> Elizabeth wrote:
>> I have been at what should be my maintenance dose of Synthroid for almost
>> 9 weeks now. Just before I hit 6 weeks, I began having a delay in falling
>> asleep and a fine tremor in my hands at night. A couple days ago, I
>> switched from taking my dose in the morning to just before bed, but it is
>> still taking me 2-3 hours to fall asleep at night and now I have the
>> tremor in the mornings.
>>
>> My question is, should I wait a while and see if these symptoms go away,
>> or should I decrease my dose? I am not in physical or mental distress at
>> this point, but I certainly wouldn't want to live like this for too long.
>> I have had these symptoms before, but they usually happen right after an
>> increase and settle down within 2-3 weeks.
>
> Elizabeth, my opinion based on my own experience, is that you are most
> likely still underdosed. Being unable to fall asleep is always a sign for
> me that my dose is too low. I have proved this theory to myself many times
> by actually taking some of my next days dose early! Within a short time, I
> will feel my body relax and I soon fall asleep.
>
> I also can get quite shaky when my levels are low. If you were getting the
> hand tremor soon after taking your dose (i.e. when your T4 level would be
> peaking), it might indicate overdose. But you seem to be saying that the
> tremor is not happening until several hours after taking your dose, which
> implies that the T4 level in your body is reducing.
>
> How did you achieve the switch to night time dosing? Did you take two
> doses in the same day, or did you skip the morning dose and wait until
> bedtime before taking it? Any increase in absorption you might get from
> night time dosing will probably take a while to build up.


From: kgrhoads on 4 Aug 2008 12:23
On Aug 4, 3:13 pm, "Elizabeth" <esniv...(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
> Amanita,
>
> Do you follow the bloodwork or just symptoms? My TSH is at about 1 and T4 is
> over mid-range. T3 is still below mid-range. My current doc won't let me go
> up any more on Synthroid, and I'm not sure I want to just yet. Perhaps you
> are right, but how do you know when to stop? If you don't mind, what are
> your numbers, and have you ever gone "hyper" yourself?
>
> I am still on the waiting list for a D.O. who prescribes Armour as well as
> slow-release T3, etc.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
>
> "amanita" <tiredofs...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>
> news:Xjylk.131967$9I1.122289(a)newsfe16.ams2...
>
> > Elizabeth wrote:
> >> I have been at what should be my maintenance dose of Synthroid for almost
> >> 9 weeks now. Just before I hit 6 weeks, I began having a delay in falling
> >> asleep and a fine tremor in my hands at night. A couple days ago, I
> >> switched from taking my dose in the morning to just before bed, but it is
> >> still taking me 2-3 hours to fall asleep at night and now I have the
> >> tremor in the mornings.
>
> >> My question is, should I wait a while and see if these symptoms go away,
> >> or should I decrease my dose? I am not in physical or mental distress at
> >> this point, but I certainly wouldn't want to live like this for too long.
> >> I have had these symptoms before, but they usually happen right after an
> >> increase and settle down within 2-3 weeks.
>
> > Elizabeth, my opinion based on my own experience, is that you are most
> > likely still underdosed. Being unable to fall asleep is always a sign for
> > me that my dose is too low. I have proved this theory to myself many times
> > by actually taking some of my next days dose early! Within a short time, I
> > will feel my body relax and I soon fall asleep.
>
> > I also can get quite shaky when my levels are low. If you were getting the
> > hand tremor soon after taking your dose (i.e. when your T4 level would be
> > peaking), it might indicate overdose. But you seem to be saying that the
> > tremor is not happening until several hours after taking your dose, which
> > implies that the T4 level in your body is reducing.
>
> > How did you achieve the switch to night time dosing? Did you take two
> > doses in the same day, or did you skip the morning dose and wait until
> > bedtime before taking it? Any increase in absorption you might get from
> > night time dosing will probably take a while to build up.


1) Could be adrenal insufficiency that has been unmasked by thyroid
dose change.
2) Rhoads family monitors dose adequacy by symptoms and blood
levels of T3 adn T4 -- we shoot to have both of these in the 40% to
70%
range (as scaled to lab reference ranges).
3) It is nearly impossible to get T3 levels near 50% or more with T4
only,
unless you are willing to see T4 levels out of range high.
4) One way to test the adrenal thing is to get an OTC hydrocortisone
cream or ointment (usually 0.5% or 1.0% in USofA) and when you
have hand-tremors or other disturbing symptoms squeeze out about
a two inch long glob and rub it all over your tummy. If the symptoms
subside within the next 1/2 hour to hour, you may well have some
adrenal insufficiency. PLEASE NOTE -- skin absorption of cortisones
is highly variable -- so this is not a very definitive test -- but you
can
try it on your own without needing help from a doctor. SO tummy
skin, which is usually not rough or calloused, and spread over a wide
area to maximize absorption and leave it on for at least an hour.
If this helps, it is more info to report to the doctor(s).

HTH
Kevin
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