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From: mcs on 24 Oct 2005 09:08
Like I said before if you suffer from anxiety don't follow or waste time
with the same lemons here . you won't hear why they are anxious really but
you will hear stupid dog tricks and cognitive thereapy. Anxiety is often
caused by a myriad of reasons and if allowed to linger, will kill you.
Anxiety is serious stuff and over time those heart palpatations will turn
into real heart problems, those bite problems will turn into TMJ problems ,
that shaking will turn into permenant shaking from meds. What you do hear
though is people describing meds and then telling you how to get off. Get a
clue people, anxiety is serious stuff.
( jaw alignment problems), those self doubt fears wll turn into uncontrolled
shaking and acting out ( drugs, or alcohol or too much smoking) which on the
surface seem to be easier to handle but actually makes anxiety worse. In
case your wondering whats left? The answer is MUCH. Write to me at
anxietybroadstreet(a)yahoo.com and tell me why you need a different opinion. I
only want to help those that want to help themselves.
The people who suggest my anxieties are the reasons not to follow sane
suggestions to help it, don't make sense. Anxiety sometimes is only helped
by being honest with why your anxious, and so to be able to do something
about it. Rethinking about things has its place, especially with people who
are more inclined to repeat the same mistakes or come from families with
histories of dysfunctional similar patterns so in that regards if you find
the best so called cognitive therapist you might find some good there but I
certainly don't like these buzz words to describe therapists for better
health. A good therapist can do the same things who don't describe
themselves as cognitive for goodness sake

There are many many things to do to correct anxiety but drugs and cognitive
thinking are not the main ones. Fighting anxiety especially if your
breathing is fast or heart races is a killer and one needs to take profound
action in order to have a chance for some resembalance of balance and
health. Thats my opinion. You physically have to change your own chemicals
to correct anxiety or it will get the best of you . The easy way out is to
take meds and pretend cognitive therapy will help anxiety but neither will
and this is obviously just my opinion.



From: Vashti on 24 Oct 2005 10:15
It wasn't a dark and stormy night when mcs wrote:

> Like I said before if you suffer from anxiety don't follow or
> waste time with the same lemons here . you won't hear why they are
> anxious really but you will hear stupid dog tricks and cognitive
> thereapy. Anxiety is often caused by a myriad of reasons and if
> allowed to linger, will kill you. Anxiety is serious stuff and
> over time those heart palpatations will turn into real heart
> problems, those bite problems will turn into TMJ problems , that
> shaking will turn into permenant shaking from meds. What you do
> hear though is people describing meds and then telling you how to
> get off. Get a clue people, anxiety is serious stuff.

Wow, that really eased my anxiety!

> ( jaw alignment problems), those self doubt fears wll turn into
> uncontrolled shaking and acting out ( drugs, or alcohol or too
> much smoking) which on the surface seem to be easier to handle but
> actually makes anxiety worse.

Don't you mean: (drugs, smoking or too much alcohol)?

> In case your wondering whats left? The answer is MUCH. Write to me
> at anxietybroadstreet(a)yahoo.com and tell me why you need a
> different opinion.

Generally not a good idea to take advice from someone who only wants
to give it via email...

> I only want to help those that want to help themselves.

Deja vu: it strikes me this is the precise purpose of the newsgroup
alt.recovery.panic-anxiety.self-help or ARPASH for short, for more
info on the group and its history Google is your friend.

> The people who suggest my anxieties are the reasons not to follow
> sane suggestions to help it, don't make sense. Anxiety sometimes
> is only helped by being honest with why your anxious, and so to be
> able to do something about it. Rethinking about things has its
> place, especially with people who are more inclined to repeat the
> same mistakes or come from families with histories of
> dysfunctional similar patterns so in that regards if you find the
> best so called cognitive therapist you might find some good there
> but I certainly don't like these buzz words to describe therapists
> for better health. A good therapist can do the same things who
> don't describe themselves as cognitive for goodness sake

What's left without cognition?

> There are many many things to do to correct anxiety but drugs and
> cognitive thinking are not the main ones. Fighting anxiety
> especially if your breathing is fast or heart races is a killer
> and one needs to take profound action in order to have a chance
> for some resembalance of balance and health. Thats my opinion. You
> physically have to change your own chemicals to correct anxiety or
> it will get the best of you . The easy way out is to take meds and
> pretend cognitive therapy will help anxiety but neither will and
> this is obviously just my opinion.

How can you change your chemicals without meds, supplements(another
sort of med really), lifestyle changes, exercise and relaxation(part
of CBT)?

Never mind... just check out ARPASH, it sounds the perfect place for
you and any converts you make.


Vashti
From: mcs on 24 Oct 2005 10:43
for support I guess if you want to be a good dobee, and you buy the drug
thing, for anxiety then I guess this is a good support group. I am not
against support I am not against people doing whatever they want.. I am for
doing proactive things to get past many diversities in society. Everything
is connected is basically how I see life. People can do or think whatever
they want. The sad part is too often its the wrong thought process. Don't
spend too long in wrong process, Learn from some peoples mistakes.
"mcs" <mcs(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:i157f.4160$c%.342(a)trndny02...
> Like I said before if you suffer from anxiety don't follow or waste time
> with the same lemons here . you won't hear why they are anxious really but
> you will hear stupid dog tricks and cognitive thereapy. Anxiety is often
> caused by a myriad of reasons and if allowed to linger, will kill you.
> Anxiety is serious stuff and over time those heart palpatations will turn
> into real heart problems, those bite problems will turn into TMJ problems
> , that shaking will turn into permenant shaking from meds. What you do
> hear though is people describing meds and then telling you how to get off.
> Get a clue people, anxiety is serious stuff.
> ( jaw alignment problems), those self doubt fears wll turn into
> uncontrolled
> shaking and acting out ( drugs, or alcohol or too much smoking) which on
> the
> surface seem to be easier to handle but actually makes anxiety worse. In
> case your wondering whats left? The answer is MUCH. Write to me at
> anxietybroadstreet(a)yahoo.com and tell me why you need a different opinion.
> I only want to help those that want to help themselves.
> The people who suggest my anxieties are the reasons not to follow sane
> suggestions to help it, don't make sense. Anxiety sometimes is only helped
> by being honest with why your anxious, and so to be able to do something
> about it. Rethinking about things has its place, especially with people
> who are more inclined to repeat the same mistakes or come from families
> with histories of dysfunctional similar patterns so in that regards if you
> find the best so called cognitive therapist you might find some good there
> but I certainly don't like these buzz words to describe therapists for
> better health. A good therapist can do the same things who don't describe
> themselves as cognitive for goodness sake
>
> There are many many things to do to correct anxiety but drugs and
> cognitive
> thinking are not the main ones. Fighting anxiety especially if your
> breathing is fast or heart races is a killer and one needs to take
> profound
> action in order to have a chance for some resembalance of balance and
> health. Thats my opinion. You physically have to change your own chemicals
> to correct anxiety or it will get the best of you . The easy way out is to
> take meds and pretend cognitive therapy will help anxiety but neither will
> and this is obviously just my opinion.
>
>
>


From: mcs on 24 Oct 2005 11:14

"Vashti" <vashti.nl(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:20051024161521.18b51155(a)linux.local...
> It wasn't a dark and stormy night when mcs wrote:
>

I bet I was in a life cereal frame of mind. yum

>> Like I said before if you suffer from anxiety don't follow or
>> waste time with the same lemons here . you won't hear why they are
>> anxious really but you will hear stupid dog tricks and cognitive
>> thereapy. Anxiety is often caused by a myriad of reasons and if
>> allowed to linger, will kill you. Anxiety is serious stuff and
>> over time those heart palpatations will turn into real heart
>> problems, those bite problems will turn into TMJ problems , that
>> shaking will turn into permenant shaking from meds. What you do
>> hear though is people describing meds and then telling you how to
>> get off. Get a clue people, anxiety is serious stuff.
>
> Wow, that really eased my anxiety!

seriously if people who are paid six figures to help you hasn't cured you,
why expect me to do it here.You want help I will offer it to you like I have
to select others. You want to have a closed mind, etc, thats up to you.I
mean no harm. You are free to choose which options you want. Good luck to
everyone here by the way.
>
>> ( jaw alignment problems), those self doubt fears wll turn into
>> uncontrolled shaking and acting out ( drugs, or alcohol or too
>> much smoking) which on the surface seem to be easier to handle but
>> actually makes anxiety worse.
>
> Don't you mean: (drugs, smoking or too much alcohol)?
Yes,
>
>> In case your wondering whats left? The answer is MUCH. Write to me
>> at anxietybroadstreet(a)yahoo.com and tell me why you need a
>> different opinion.
>
> Generally not a good idea to take advice from someone who only wants
> to give it via email...
>
Oh thats debateable. I have gotten good stuff thru the net. You have to use
a bit of past history a bit of objectivity , a bit of common sense, a bit of
intuition. I am only precribing advice and obviously not everyone (in my
view point )deserves it or wants it so why burden people to hear it. Allot
of people are in enough pain to listen to me .I do think those that might
listen to alternatives already utilize most of my suggestions.


>> I only want to help those that want to help themselves.
>
> Deja vu: it strikes me this is the precise purpose of the newsgroup
> alt.recovery.panic-anxiety.self-help or ARPASH for short, for more
> info on the group and its history Google is your friend.
>
Help or support?

>> The people who suggest my anxieties are the reasons not to follow
>> sane suggestions to help it, don't make sense. Anxiety sometimes
>> is only helped by being honest with why your anxious, and so to be
>> able to do something about it. Rethinking about things has its
>> place, especially with people who are more inclined to repeat the
>> same mistakes or come from families with histories of
>> dysfunctional similar patterns so in that regards if you find the
>> best so called cognitive therapist you might find some good there
>> but I certainly don't like these buzz words to describe therapists
>> for better health. A good therapist can do the same things who
>> don't describe themselves as cognitive for goodness sake
>
> What's left without cognition?
a good therapist?
>
>> There are many many things to do to correct anxiety but drugs and
>> cognitive thinking are not the main ones. Fighting anxiety
>> especially if your breathing is fast or heart races is a killer
>> and one needs to take profound action in order to have a chance
>> for some resembalance of balance and health. Thats my opinion. You
>> physically have to change your own chemicals to correct anxiety or
>> it will get the best of you . The easy way out is to take meds and
>> pretend cognitive therapy will help anxiety but neither will and
>> this is obviously just my opinion.
>
> How can you change your chemicals without meds, supplements(another
> sort of med really), lifestyle changes, exercise and relaxation(part
> of CBT)?
>
I think you got some of it. I don't think cognitive therapy spends enough
time in holistic aspects. Past, present, job training, rethinking negative
thought patterns, understanding what your anxious about. What kinds of
exercise, how long, what specific foods, what kind of support for lack of
sleep, what kind of family role all this has for each individual . etc...
> Never mind... just check out ARPASH, it sounds the perfect place for
> you and any converts you make.
>
>
> Vashti


From: GFX on 24 Oct 2005 13:54
"Anxiety sometimes is only helped by being honest with why your anxious, and
so to be able to do something about it."

That can be extremely (EXTREMELY) true Steve. I don't agree with everything
you said, but that is certainly true. For some people, the 'doing something
about it' seems to come to best fruition with a little medicine, often for a
short time, but some severely ill patients need it for a long time. Some
may just prefer the way they think and process information when they are on
medicines, and I don't see any big problem with that as long as they are
happy with the plan. I think it deserves mention that if someone is
profoundly anxious, to the point that they can't decide whether or not to go
to the restroom (and yes, I have seen people who were like that) - they may
not be ABLE to figure out why they are anxious, and at that point a
healthcare provider can be of some help to them.

Sometimes just stopping coffee eliminates an anxiety disorder completely and
totally, other times it is a lifelong issue, involving multiple strategies
including therapy, meds, self-examination and improvement, and sometimes
sweeping changes in life-long patterns of thinking (which can be addressed
in a cognitive/behavioral therapy situation). My own doctor does not call
himself "cognitive behavioral" (primarily because of his own issues - he
doesn't like labels, and refuses to label himself as anything - which I
respect) but when I think about it, a lot of the therapy I've received there
certainly was well-disguised (not deliberately I don't think) cbt, and it
was just put into the form of conversation.

Speaking of labeling: "lemons"?? Where I grew up, a lemon was a car that
didn't work right, for some anomalous reason, from the first day it rolled
off the assembly line (or it was an oval fruit, yellow, and somewhat citron
and tart). Unfamiliar with lemons in any other sense - please advise.

G


"mcs" <mcs(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:i157f.4160$c%.342(a)trndny02...
> Like I said before if you suffer from anxiety don't follow or waste time
> with the same lemons here . you won't hear why they are anxious really but
> you will hear stupid dog tricks and cognitive thereapy. Anxiety is often
> caused by a myriad of reasons and if allowed to linger, will kill you.
> Anxiety is serious stuff and over time those heart palpatations will turn
> into real heart problems, those bite problems will turn into TMJ problems
> , that shaking will turn into permenant shaking from meds. What you do
> hear though is people describing meds and then telling you how to get off.
> Get a clue people, anxiety is serious stuff.
> ( jaw alignment problems), those self doubt fears wll turn into
> uncontrolled
> shaking and acting out ( drugs, or alcohol or too much smoking) which on
> the
> surface seem to be easier to handle but actually makes anxiety worse. In
> case your wondering whats left? The answer is MUCH. Write to me at
> anxietybroadstreet(a)yahoo.com and tell me why you need a different opinion.
> I only want to help those that want to help themselves.
> The people who suggest my anxieties are the reasons not to follow sane
> suggestions to help it, don't make sense. Anxiety sometimes is only helped
> by being honest with why your anxious, and so to be able to do something
> about it. Rethinking about things has its place, especially with people
> who are more inclined to repeat the same mistakes or come from families
> with histories of dysfunctional similar patterns so in that regards if you
> find the best so called cognitive therapist you might find some good there
> but I certainly don't like these buzz words to describe therapists for
> better health. A good therapist can do the same things who don't describe
> themselves as cognitive for goodness sake
>
> There are many many things to do to correct anxiety but drugs and
> cognitive
> thinking are not the main ones. Fighting anxiety especially if your
> breathing is fast or heart races is a killer and one needs to take
> profound
> action in order to have a chance for some resembalance of balance and
> health. Thats my opinion. You physically have to change your own chemicals
> to correct anxiety or it will get the best of you . The easy way out is to
> take meds and pretend cognitive therapy will help anxiety but neither will
> and this is obviously just my opinion.
>
>
>


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