From: Peter B on
"PeterB - Original" <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 20, 3:02 am, "Peter B" <origin...(a)frag.com> wrote:
> "PeterB - Original" <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:c512e992-49b6-42ff-b87b-ced262fc6c45(a)k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 19, 4:47 pm, "Peter B" <origin...(a)frag.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "PeterB - Original" <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in
> > messagenews:908aa74d-cab0-47d9-b1c6-c82870608c08(a)s20g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Dec 19, 12:44 am, "Peter B" <origin...(a)frag.com> wrote:
>
> > > "PeterB - Original" <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in
> > > messagenews:135886c7-3b93-4e63-8387-cdabf33f107d(a)c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Dec 18, 5:15 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Dec 18, 4:12 pm, PeterB - Original <p...(a)mytrashmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Dec 18, 1:48 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Dec 18, 1:39 pm, Jim <willcox...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Alternative Medicine Pioneer Kidnapped by US Government in
> > > > > > > Ecuador
> > > > > > > Medical News Comentaries
> > > > > > > 17 December 2009 9 Comments
>
> > > > > > > Dear IMVA,
>
> > > > > > > Yesterday I received a disturbing email from Greg Caton's
> > > > > > > wife,
>
> > > > > > This the same Gregory James Caton previously convicted of a
> > > > > > Felony
> > > > > > crime in 1990?
>
> > > > > Yes, for selling herbals, which is a crime depending on how
> > > > > carefully
> > > > > you step (and sometimes regardless) with regard to product
> > > > > labeling,
> > > > > lest the seller encroach upon FDA's own monopoly of lies, the
> > > > > most
> > > > > notable of which is that drugs prevent and cure disease.
> > > > > Metagenics
> > > > > was once prosecuted for false claims about a calcium
> > > > > supplement,
> > > > > for
> > > > > example, but they later won the case when the *existing*
> > > > > science
> > > > > was
> > > > > produced to support their marketing claims.
>
> > > > > > The same Gregory James Caton charged with Felon in
> > > > > > Possession
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > firearms in 2003? (A lot of them.)
>
> > > > > WOW, a gun owner and herbal medicine advocate all in the same
> > > > > body.
> > > > > What's next, Bambi holding a Bowie?
>
> > > > > > Read the indictment
> > > > > > yourself.http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document1.pdf
>
> > > > > FDA's drug claims are the premise for charges against him,
> > > > > which
> > > > > means
> > > > > it's a pretty safe bet that none of this was based on any
> > > > > science
> > > > > whatsoever, but rather on the perceived risk of competitive
> > > > > threat
> > > > > by
> > > > > FDA's buddies in the drug business.
>
> > > > > > He agreed to the prosecution without indictment by the Grand
> > > > > > Jury.http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document2.pdf
>
> > > > > > He entered a plea of Guilty and accepted
> > > > > > Judgmenthttp://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document3.pdf
>
> > > > > > He agreed to a fine of $250k and 5 years
> > > > > > minimum.http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document4.pdf
>
> > > > > > And then after he was let out he skipped on his probation,
> > > > > > moved
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > another country with lax laws to do the same thing all over
> > > > > > again.
>
> > > > > > All of the case docs here:http://www.meditopia.org/docs
>
> > > > > What a busy penguin you are these days, Potemkin. You might
> > > > > want
> > > > > to
> > > > > read the other side of the story on Caton's website,
> > > > > athttp://www.altcancer.com/h3o.htm.
>
> > > > > > No wonder Mikey Adams supports him.
>
> > > > > And you don't, because the rights of citizens in a free
> > > > > society
> > > > > mean
> > > > > nothing to you.
>
> > > > Au contraire. However, there is no question that his marketing
> > > > tactics
> > > > violarted Federal law.
>
> > > Oh? What proof do you have that his company's marketing violated
> > > Federal Law?
>
> > > > One does not get prosecuted without having
> > > > apmple opportunity to prove one's claims with some science.
>
> > > Care to provide any documentation on those claims, and how they
> > > were
> > > false?
>
> > > > He skipped that part. Even Hulda's Henchmen saw the wise thing
> > > > to
> > > > do
> > > > was to stop making unsupportable claims.
>
> > > You have only pointed to an indictment, no actual evidence of what
> > > was
> > > claimed. Typical.
>
> > > > As for being a felon in possession, I often wonder how the gun
> > > > right
> > > > absolutists, those who claim that owning a gun is an inalienable
> > > > right...
>
> > > An "inalienable" right is not the same as one provided for under
> > > the
> > > US Constitution.
>
> > > > (one that cannot be removed under any circumstances) and then
> > > > support
> > > > prisoners not being armed.
>
> > > Non sequitur. Prisoners are incarcerated with many rights
> > > suspended.
> > > Caton was not in jail.
>
> > > > If the right is inalienable, then even they
> > > > should be carrying. I heard that prison is a dangerous place,
> > > > with
> > > > lots of criminals.
>
> > > You are dangerous but somehow free. Don't tell me, you have an
> > > "inalienable" right to practice stupidity without a license.
> > > ===========================================
> > > There is only one such license, and you bought it. It is a matter
> > > of
> > > public records.
>
> > You can now return to your sandbox, newbie.
> > ============================================
> > What I love is that you buy into your fears.
>
> Huh? The story is about a man I don't personally know, why would I
> feel fear regarding his plight? I do find the circumstances
> surrounding his ordeal to be sad. You are also sad, but it's a
> different kind of sad, as in "pathetic."
> ==============================================
> You no doubt would find sympathy for a child molester.

Not even for you.

> As to buying into your fears it was in relationship to the sandbox
> comment. You see a spook behind every post.

The "sandbox" comment was a reference to you being an idiot child, not
an idiot spook. But if you like, I'll start referring to you as the
idiot spook. I kinda like it to.

> Run!
>
> RUN!
>
> RUN PETER, RUN!
>
> Yeah, don't get caught with your pants down again!

Okay Forrest!!
================================================
Guess you are up way past your bedtime, You are not even making Peter
the Butthead sense.

Get some sleep freak.


From: PeterB - Original on
On Dec 20, 3:43 am, "Peter B" <origin...(a)frag.com> wrote:
> "PeterB - Original" <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in messagenews:adf52741-492b-45fb-ba1d-78db67273f1a(a)m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 20, 3:02 am, "Peter B" <origin...(a)frag.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "PeterB - Original" <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in
> > messagenews:c512e992-49b6-42ff-b87b-ced262fc6c45(a)k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> > On Dec 19, 4:47 pm, "Peter B" <origin...(a)frag.com> wrote:
>
> > > "PeterB - Original" <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in
> > > messagenews:908aa74d-cab0-47d9-b1c6-c82870608c08(a)s20g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Dec 19, 12:44 am, "Peter B" <origin...(a)frag.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "PeterB - Original" <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in
> > > > messagenews:135886c7-3b93-4e63-8387-cdabf33f107d(a)c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Dec 18, 5:15 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Dec 18, 4:12 pm, PeterB - Original <p...(a)mytrashmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Dec 18, 1:48 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Dec 18, 1:39 pm, Jim <willcox...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Alternative Medicine Pioneer Kidnapped by US Government in
> > > > > > > > Ecuador
> > > > > > > > Medical News Comentaries
> > > > > > > > 17 December 2009 9 Comments
>
> > > > > > > > Dear IMVA,
>
> > > > > > > > Yesterday I received a disturbing email from Greg Caton's
> > > > > > > > wife,
>
> > > > > > > This the same Gregory James Caton previously convicted of a
> > > > > > > Felony
> > > > > > > crime in 1990?
>
> > > > > > Yes, for selling herbals, which is a crime depending on how
> > > > > > carefully
> > > > > > you step (and sometimes regardless) with regard to product
> > > > > > labeling,
> > > > > > lest the seller encroach upon FDA's own monopoly of lies, the
> > > > > > most
> > > > > > notable of which is that drugs prevent and cure disease.
> > > > > > Metagenics
> > > > > > was once prosecuted for false claims about a calcium
> > > > > > supplement,
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > example, but they later won the case when the *existing*
> > > > > > science
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > produced to support their marketing claims.
>
> > > > > > > The same Gregory James Caton charged with Felon in
> > > > > > > Possession
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > firearms in 2003? (A lot of them.)
>
> > > > > > WOW, a gun owner and herbal medicine advocate all in the same
> > > > > > body.
> > > > > > What's next, Bambi holding a Bowie?
>
> > > > > > > Read the indictment
> > > > > > > yourself.http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document1.pdf
>
> > > > > > FDA's drug claims are the premise for charges against him,
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > means
> > > > > > it's a pretty safe bet that none of this was based on any
> > > > > > science
> > > > > > whatsoever, but rather on the perceived risk of competitive
> > > > > > threat
> > > > > > by
> > > > > > FDA's buddies in the drug business.
>
> > > > > > > He agreed to the prosecution without indictment by the Grand
> > > > > > > Jury.http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document2.pdf
>
> > > > > > > He entered a plea of Guilty and accepted
> > > > > > > Judgmenthttp://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document3.pdf
>
> > > > > > > He agreed to a fine of $250k and 5 years
> > > > > > > minimum.http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document4.pdf
>
> > > > > > > And then after he was let out he skipped on his probation,
> > > > > > > moved
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > another country with lax laws to do the same thing all over
> > > > > > > again.
>
> > > > > > > All of the case docs here:http://www.meditopia.org/docs
>
> > > > > > What a busy penguin you are these days, Potemkin. You might
> > > > > > want
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > read the other side of the story on Caton's website,
> > > > > > athttp://www.altcancer.com/h3o.htm.
>
> > > > > > > No wonder Mikey Adams supports him.
>
> > > > > > And you don't, because the rights of citizens in a free
> > > > > > society
> > > > > > mean
> > > > > > nothing to you.
>
> > > > > Au contraire. However, there is no question that his marketing
> > > > > tactics
> > > > > violarted Federal law.
>
> > > > Oh? What proof do you have that his company's marketing violated
> > > > Federal Law?
>
> > > > > One does not get prosecuted without having
> > > > > apmple opportunity to prove one's claims with some science.
>
> > > > Care to provide any documentation on those claims, and how they
> > > > were
> > > > false?
>
> > > > > He skipped that part. Even Hulda's Henchmen saw the wise thing
> > > > > to
> > > > > do
> > > > > was to stop making unsupportable claims.
>
> > > > You have only pointed to an indictment, no actual evidence of what
> > > > was
> > > > claimed. Typical.
>
> > > > > As for being a felon in possession, I often wonder how the gun
> > > > > right
> > > > > absolutists, those who claim that owning a gun is an inalienable
> > > > > right...
>
> > > > An "inalienable" right is not the same as one provided for under
> > > > the
> > > > US Constitution.
>
> > > > > (one that cannot be removed under any circumstances) and then
> > > > > support
> > > > > prisoners not being armed.
>
> > > > Non sequitur. Prisoners are incarcerated with many rights
> > > > suspended.
> > > > Caton was not in jail.
>
> > > > > If the right is inalienable, then even they
> > > > > should be carrying. I heard that prison is a dangerous place,
> > > > > with
> > > > > lots of criminals.
>
> > > > You are dangerous but somehow free. Don't tell me, you have an
> > > > "inalienable" right to practice stupidity without a license.
> > > > ===========================================
> > > > There is only one such license, and you bought it. It is a matter
> > > > of
> > > > public records.
>
> > > You can now return to your sandbox, newbie.
> > > ============================================
> > > What I love is that you buy into your fears.
>
> > Huh? The story is about a man I don't personally know, why would I
> > feel fear regarding his plight? I do find the circumstances
> > surrounding his ordeal to be sad. You are also sad, but it's a
> > different kind of sad, as in "pathetic."
> > ==============================================
> > You no doubt would find sympathy for a child molester.
>
> Not even for you.
>
> > As to buying into your fears it was in relationship to the sandbox
> > comment. You see a spook behind every post.
>
> The "sandbox" comment was a reference to you being an idiot child, not
> an idiot spook.  But if you like, I'll start referring to you as the
> idiot spook.  I kinda like it to.
>
> > Run!
>
> > RUN!
>
> > RUN PETER, RUN!
>
> > Yeah, don't get caught with your pants down again!
>
> Okay Forrest!!
> ================================================
> Guess you are up way past your bedtime, You are not even making Peter
> the Butthead sense.
>
> Get some sleep freak.

You seem to have lost your "time-zone-decoder-ring" or maybe you
misplaced it with your evidence for vaccine safety.
From: Mark Probert on
On Dec 20, 2:44 am, PeterB - Original <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 19, 4:47 pm, "Peter B" <origin...(a)frag.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "PeterB - Original" <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in messagenews:908aa74d-cab0-47d9-b1c6-c82870608c08(a)s20g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Dec 19, 12:44 am, "Peter B" <origin...(a)frag.com> wrote:
>
> > > "PeterB - Original" <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in
> > > messagenews:135886c7-3b93-4e63-8387-cdabf33f107d(a)c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Dec 18, 5:15 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Dec 18, 4:12 pm, PeterB - Original <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Dec 18, 1:48 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Dec 18, 1:39 pm, Jim <willcox...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Alternative Medicine Pioneer Kidnapped by US Government in
> > > > > > > Ecuador
> > > > > > > Medical News Comentaries
> > > > > > > 17 December 2009 9 Comments
>
> > > > > > > Dear IMVA,
>
> > > > > > > Yesterday I received a disturbing email from Greg Caton's
> > > > > > > wife,
>
> > > > > > This the same Gregory James Caton previously convicted of a
> > > > > > Felony
> > > > > > crime in 1990?
>
> > > > > Yes, for selling herbals, which is a crime depending on how
> > > > > carefully
> > > > > you step (and sometimes regardless) with regard to product
> > > > > labeling,
> > > > > lest the seller encroach upon FDA's own monopoly of lies, the most
> > > > > notable of which is that drugs prevent and cure disease.
> > > > > Metagenics
> > > > > was once prosecuted for false claims about a calcium supplement,
> > > > > for
> > > > > example, but they later won the case when the *existing* science
> > > > > was
> > > > > produced to support their marketing claims.
>
> > > > > > The same Gregory James Caton charged with Felon in Possession of
> > > > > > firearms in 2003? (A lot of them.)
>
> > > > > WOW, a gun owner and herbal medicine advocate all in the same
> > > > > body.
> > > > > What's next, Bambi holding a Bowie?
>
> > > > > > Read the indictment
> > > > > > yourself.http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document1.pdf
>
> > > > > FDA's drug claims are the premise for charges against him, which
> > > > > means
> > > > > it's a pretty safe bet that none of this was based on any science
> > > > > whatsoever, but rather on the perceived risk of competitive threat
> > > > > by
> > > > > FDA's buddies in the drug business.
>
> > > > > > He agreed to the prosecution without indictment by the Grand
> > > > > > Jury.http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document2.pdf
>
> > > > > > He entered a plea of Guilty and accepted
> > > > > > Judgmenthttp://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document3.pdf
>
> > > > > > He agreed to a fine of $250k and 5 years
> > > > > > minimum.http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document4.pdf
>
> > > > > > And then after he was let out he skipped on his probation, moved
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > another country with lax laws to do the same thing all over
> > > > > > again.
>
> > > > > > All of the case docs here:http://www.meditopia.org/docs
>
> > > > > What a busy penguin you are these days, Potemkin. You might want
> > > > > to
> > > > > read the other side of the story on Caton's website,
> > > > > athttp://www.altcancer.com/h3o.htm.
>
> > > > > > No wonder Mikey Adams supports him.
>
> > > > > And you don't, because the rights of citizens in a free society
> > > > > mean
> > > > > nothing to you.
>
> > > > Au contraire. However, there is no question that his marketing
> > > > tactics
> > > > violarted Federal law.
>
> > > Oh? What proof do you have that his company's marketing violated
> > > Federal Law?
>
> > > > One does not get prosecuted without having
> > > > apmple opportunity to prove one's claims with some science.
>
> > > Care to provide any documentation on those claims, and how they were
> > > false?
>
> > > > He skipped that part. Even Hulda's Henchmen saw the wise thing to do
> > > > was to stop making unsupportable claims.
>
> > > You have only pointed to an indictment, no actual evidence of what was
> > > claimed. Typical.
>
> > > > As for being a felon in possession, I often wonder how the gun right
> > > > absolutists, those who claim that owning a gun is an inalienable
> > > > right...
>
> > > An "inalienable" right is not the same as one provided for under the
> > > US Constitution.
>
> > > > (one that cannot be removed under any circumstances) and then
> > > > support
> > > > prisoners not being armed.
>
> > > Non sequitur. Prisoners are incarcerated with many rights suspended.
> > > Caton was not in jail.
>
> > > > If the right is inalienable, then even they
> > > > should be carrying. I heard that prison is a dangerous place, with
> > > > lots of criminals.
>
> > > You are dangerous but somehow free. Don't tell me, you have an
> > > "inalienable" right to practice stupidity without a license.
> > > ===========================================
> > > There is only one such license, and you bought it. It is a matter of
> > > public records.
>
> > You can now return to your sandbox, newbie.
> > ============================================
> > What I love is that you buy into your fears.
>
> Huh?  The  story is about a man I don't personally know, why would I
> feel fear regarding his plight?  I do find the circumstances
> surrounding his ordeal to be sad.  

You are assuming that the report is true. There is no reason to assume
so. This man's history is that of a person who flouts the law.

Why assume his cohorts are telling the truth? Is it because you know
that alties REQUIRE conspiracies to prove their claims, since they
lack science and facts?

From: PeterB - Original on
On Dec 20, 10:39 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 2:44 am, PeterB - Original <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 19, 4:47 pm, "Peter B" <origin...(a)frag.com> wrote:
>
> > > "PeterB - Original" <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in messagenews:908aa74d-cab0-47d9-b1c6-c82870608c08(a)s20g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Dec 19, 12:44 am, "Peter B" <origin...(a)frag.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "PeterB - Original" <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in
> > > > messagenews:135886c7-3b93-4e63-8387-cdabf33f107d(a)c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Dec 18, 5:15 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Dec 18, 4:12 pm, PeterB - Original <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Dec 18, 1:48 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Dec 18, 1:39 pm, Jim <willcox...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Alternative Medicine Pioneer Kidnapped by US Government in
> > > > > > > > Ecuador
> > > > > > > > Medical News Comentaries
> > > > > > > > 17 December 2009 9 Comments
>
> > > > > > > > Dear IMVA,
>
> > > > > > > > Yesterday I received a disturbing email from Greg Caton's
> > > > > > > > wife,
>
> > > > > > > This the same Gregory James Caton previously convicted of a
> > > > > > > Felony
> > > > > > > crime in 1990?
>
> > > > > > Yes, for selling herbals, which is a crime depending on how
> > > > > > carefully
> > > > > > you step (and sometimes regardless) with regard to product
> > > > > > labeling,
> > > > > > lest the seller encroach upon FDA's own monopoly of lies, the most
> > > > > > notable of which is that drugs prevent and cure disease.
> > > > > > Metagenics
> > > > > > was once prosecuted for false claims about a calcium supplement,
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > example, but they later won the case when the *existing* science
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > produced to support their marketing claims.
>
> > > > > > > The same Gregory James Caton charged with Felon in Possession of
> > > > > > > firearms in 2003? (A lot of them.)
>
> > > > > > WOW, a gun owner and herbal medicine advocate all in the same
> > > > > > body.
> > > > > > What's next, Bambi holding a Bowie?
>
> > > > > > > Read the indictment
> > > > > > > yourself.http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document1.pdf
>
> > > > > > FDA's drug claims are the premise for charges against him, which
> > > > > > means
> > > > > > it's a pretty safe bet that none of this was based on any science
> > > > > > whatsoever, but rather on the perceived risk of competitive threat
> > > > > > by
> > > > > > FDA's buddies in the drug business.
>
> > > > > > > He agreed to the prosecution without indictment by the Grand
> > > > > > > Jury.http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document2.pdf
>
> > > > > > > He entered a plea of Guilty and accepted
> > > > > > > Judgmenthttp://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document3.pdf
>
> > > > > > > He agreed to a fine of $250k and 5 years
> > > > > > > minimum.http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document4.pdf
>
> > > > > > > And then after he was let out he skipped on his probation, moved
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > another country with lax laws to do the same thing all over
> > > > > > > again.
>
> > > > > > > All of the case docs here:http://www.meditopia.org/docs
>
> > > > > > What a busy penguin you are these days, Potemkin. You might want
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > read the other side of the story on Caton's website,
> > > > > > athttp://www.altcancer.com/h3o.htm.
>
> > > > > > > No wonder Mikey Adams supports him.
>
> > > > > > And you don't, because the rights of citizens in a free society
> > > > > > mean
> > > > > > nothing to you.
>
> > > > > Au contraire. However, there is no question that his marketing
> > > > > tactics
> > > > > violarted Federal law.
>
> > > > Oh? What proof do you have that his company's marketing violated
> > > > Federal Law?
>
> > > > > One does not get prosecuted without having
> > > > > apmple opportunity to prove one's claims with some science.
>
> > > > Care to provide any documentation on those claims, and how they were
> > > > false?
>
> > > > > He skipped that part. Even Hulda's Henchmen saw the wise thing to do
> > > > > was to stop making unsupportable claims.
>
> > > > You have only pointed to an indictment, no actual evidence of what was
> > > > claimed. Typical.
>
> > > > > As for being a felon in possession, I often wonder how the gun right
> > > > > absolutists, those who claim that owning a gun is an inalienable
> > > > > right...
>
> > > > An "inalienable" right is not the same as one provided for under the
> > > > US Constitution.
>
> > > > > (one that cannot be removed under any circumstances) and then
> > > > > support
> > > > > prisoners not being armed.
>
> > > > Non sequitur. Prisoners are incarcerated with many rights suspended..
> > > > Caton was not in jail.
>
> > > > > If the right is inalienable, then even they
> > > > > should be carrying. I heard that prison is a dangerous place, with
> > > > > lots of criminals.
>
> > > > You are dangerous but somehow free. Don't tell me, you have an
> > > > "inalienable" right to practice stupidity without a license.
> > > > ===========================================
> > > > There is only one such license, and you bought it. It is a matter of
> > > > public records.
>
> > > You can now return to your sandbox, newbie.
> > > ============================================
> > > What I love is that you buy into your fears.
>
> > Huh?  The  story is about a man I don't personally know, why would I
> > feel fear regarding his plight?  I do find the circumstances
> > surrounding his ordeal to be sad.  
>
> You are assuming that the report is true. There is no reason to assume
> so. This man's history is that of a person who flouts the law.

So says FDA, whose own history of fraud, deception, and cover up are
well known.

> Why assume his cohorts are telling the truth?

I am, rather, affording little credence to charges based on FDA
evidence, which I have not seen and you have been unable to produce.

> Is it because you know
> that alties REQUIRE conspiracies to prove their claims, since they
> lack science and facts?

No charge of conspiracy has been made by me. FDA's corrupt practices
occur within the legal framework of its ties to industry, but that
perverse condition does not absolve the agency's guilt for permitting
millions to be murdered over the years, and they will some day answer
for it.
From: PeterB - Original on
On Dec 19, 10:58 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Dec 18, 1:39 pm, Jim <willcox...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Alternative Medicine Pioneer Kidnapped by US Government in Ecuador
> > > > > > Medical News Comentaries
> > > > > > 17 December 2009 9 Comments
>
> > > > > > Dear IMVA,
>
> > > > > > Yesterday I received a disturbing email from Greg Caton’s wife,
>
> > > > > This the same Gregory James Caton previously convicted of a Felony
> > > > > crime in 1990?
>
> > > > Yes, for selling herbals, which is a crime depending on how carefully
> > > > you step (and sometimes regardless) with regard to product labeling,
> > > > lest the seller encroach upon FDA's own monopoly of lies, the most
> > > > notable of which is that drugs prevent and cure disease.  Metagenics
> > > > was once prosecuted for false claims about a calcium supplement, for
> > > > example, but they later won the case when the *existing* science was
> > > > produced to support their marketing claims.
>
> > > > > The same Gregory James Caton charged with Felon in Possession of
> > > > > firearms in 2003? (A lot of them.)
>
> > > > WOW, a gun owner and herbal medicine advocate all in the same body.
> > > > What's next, Bambi holding a Bowie?
>
> > > > > Read the indictment yourself.http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document1.pdf
>
> > > > FDA's drug claims are the premise for charges against him, which means
> > > > it's a pretty safe bet that none of this was based on any science
> > > > whatsoever, but rather on the perceived risk of competitive threat by
> > > > FDA's buddies in the drug business.
>
> > > > > He agreed to the prosecution without indictment by the Grand Jury..http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document2.pdf
>
> > > > > He entered a plea of Guilty and accepted Judgmenthttp://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document3.pdf
>
> > > > > He agreed to a fine of $250k and 5 years minimum.http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document4.pdf
>
> > > > > And then after he was let out he skipped on his probation, moved to
> > > > > another country with lax laws to do the same thing all over again..
>
> > > > > All of the case docs here:http://www.meditopia.org/docs
>
> > > > What a busy penguin you are these days, Potemkin.  You might want to
> > > > read the other side of the story on Caton's website, athttp://www.altcancer.com/h3o.htm.
>
> > > > > No wonder Mikey Adams supports him.
>
> > > > And you don't, because the rights of citizens in a free society mean
> > > > nothing to you.
>
> > > Au contraire. However, there is no question that his marketing tactics
> > > violarted Federal law.
>
> > Oh?  What proof do you have that his company's marketing violated
> > Federal Law?
>
> See here:
>
> http://www.fda.gov/downloads/ICECI/EnforcementActions/EnforcementStor...
>
> SInce you are too lazy to go to the website, I will cut an paste the
> relevant part:
>
> Unapproved New Drugs Sold as Treatment for Cancer
>
> This investigation was initiated based on information regarding the
> illegal activities of a food processing plant called Lumen Food
> Corporation, located in Lake Charles, Louisiana. Lumen Food
> Corporation advertised products via an Internet websitewww.altcancer.com
> under the name of Alpha Omega Labs, located in Nassau, Bahamas. These
> products were advertised as containing medicinal qualities for the
> treatment of cancer and many other diseases.
>
> From 1999 to 2003, Gregory Caton, President of Lumen Food Corporation,
> and his employees utilized Alpha Omega Labs to take direct orders for
> these unapproved new drugs. The chemical substances were not approved
> for sale by FDA. As a result of the scheme, Caton received
> approximately $950,000. In order to legally market a drug in
> interstate commerce, the drug’s manufacturer is required to comply
> with all applicable provisions of the Act in order to ensure that the
> products sold are safe for humans and effective for their intended
> uses.
>
> On at least two occasions known to FDA, the items shipped by Caton’s
> firm and used by consumers resulted in bodily injury and harm. The
> products were Cansema Tonic III and H3O. Cansema Tonic III was
> advertised for use in the cure, mitigation, treatment or prevention of
> cancer. H3O was advertised for use in the cure, mitigation, treatment,
> or prevention of athlete’s foot, cuts and burns, eczema, fingernail
> fungus, chronic gas, gastroenteritis, gingivitis and periodontal
> disease, halitosis, herpes sores, ophthalmia, psoriasis, sore throat,
> strep throat and wounds. Caton did not have an IND application on file
> with FDA.....
>
> On May 26, 2004, Caton was convicted of violating Title 18 U.S.C. 1341
> - Mail Fraud; and Title 21 U.S.C. 331(d), 355(a) and 333(a)(2) -
> Introduction into Interstate Commerce of Unapproved New Drugs. Caton
> also forfeited 2 buildings and his residence in Lake Charles,
> Louisiana.
>
> On August 24, 2004, Caton was sentenced to 33 months incarceration to
> be followed by 3 years supervised release.
>
> Now, Petey, show us your skills as coming up with new meaning of
> words, torturning logic, and whoing that you will defend anyone.

I read this earlier, and it's meaningless. An "enforcement story"
write up in FDA's archives is not evidence, but a charge by the very
agency whose own corrupt relationship to industry is well known. FDA
protects its interests by protecting its primary funding source, the
drug makers, whom it purports to regulate. I'm sure you will need a
dictionary not written by your friends in industry to understand what
the words "evidence" actually means.

> > > One does not get prosecuted without having
> > > apmple opportunity to prove one's claims with some science.

FDA has perverted medical science to such a degree that it cannot
objectively review the available science.

> > Care to provide any documentation on those claims, and how
> > they were false?
>
> Wrong. I do not have to prove that they were false, Mr. Red
> Herring. Caton had the burden of proof that his claims were true.

As I said, an agency as corrupt as FDA, whose drug approval process is
based on science fabricated by the drug makers whom it purports to
regulate, cannot be the arbiter of what is true.