From: Mark Probert on
On Dec 18, 4:12 pm, PeterB - Original <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 18, 1:48 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 18, 1:39 pm, Jim <willcox...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Alternative Medicine Pioneer Kidnapped by US Government in Ecuador
> > > Medical News Comentaries
> > > 17 December 2009 9 Comments
>
> > > Dear IMVA,
>
> > > Yesterday I received a disturbing email from Greg Caton’s wife,
>
> > This the same Gregory James Caton previously convicted of a Felony
> > crime in 1990?
>
> Yes, for selling herbals, which is a crime depending on how carefully
> you step (and sometimes regardless) with regard to product labeling,
> lest the seller encroach upon FDA's own monopoly of lies, the most
> notable of which is that drugs prevent and cure disease.  Metagenics
> was once prosecuted for false claims about a calcium supplement, for
> example, but they later won the case when the *existing* science was
> produced to support their marketing claims.
>
> > The same Gregory James Caton charged with Felon in Possession of
> > firearms in 2003? (A lot of them.)
>
> WOW, a gun owner and herbal medicine advocate all in the same body.
> What's next, Bambi holding a Bowie?
>
> > Read the indictment yourself.http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document1.pdf
>
> FDA's drug claims are the premise for charges against him, which means
> it's a pretty safe bet that none of this was based on any science
> whatsoever, but rather on the perceived risk of competitive threat by
> FDA's buddies in the drug business.
>
> > He agreed to the prosecution without indictment by the Grand Jury.http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document2.pdf
>
> > He entered a plea of Guilty and accepted Judgmenthttp://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document3.pdf
>
> > He agreed to a fine of $250k and 5 years minimum.http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document4.pdf
>
> > And then after he was let out he skipped on his probation, moved to
> > another country with lax laws to do the same thing all over again.
>
> > All of the case docs here:http://www.meditopia.org/docs
>
> What a busy penguin you are these days, Potemkin.  You might want to
> read the other side of the story on Caton's website, athttp://www.altcancer.com/h3o.htm.
>
> > No wonder Mikey Adams supports him.
>
> And you don't, because the rights of citizens in a free society mean
> nothing to you.

Au contraire. However, there is no question that his marketing tactics
violarted Federal law. One does not get prosecuted without having
apmple opportunity to prove one's claims with some science.

He skipped that part. Even Hulda's Henchmen saw the wise thing to do
was to stop making unsupportable claims.

As for being a felon in possession, I often wonder how the gun right
absolutists, those who claim that owning a gun is an inalienable right
(one that cannot be removed under any circumstances) and then support
prisoners not being armed. If the right is inalienable, then even they
should be carrying. I heard that prison is a dangerous place, with
lots of criminals.

From: PeterB - Original on
On Dec 18, 4:33 pm, "Peter B" <origin...(a)frag.com> wrote:
>
> "Jim" <willcox...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a6c6ab7f-3db3-432a-88bc-d10a826e30e0(a)d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
> Alternative Medicine Pioneer Kidnapped by US Government in Ecuador
> Medical News Comentaries
> 17 December 2009 9 Comments
>
>Anti US American BS snipped<

It was not anti-American, dimwit, it was anti-bureaucratic
corruption. As usual, you take the side of the corrupt.

> Read 98% of this rant against the government of the USA. Yes, that was
> all it was about.

No, dumbass, it was a complaint that sovereign law was ignored at the
behest of a NON elected bureaucratic agency, FDA, whose corrupt ties
to industry are a matter of record. That's what it is all about.

> The evil CDC & FDA of the Obama government.

That's right, invoke the name of a popular US President to give cover
to these industry-pimping NON-elected bureaucratic agencies.
Pharmnuts love their UN-elected friends at FDA and CDC because without
them, drug maker profits would become non existent.

> All at the
> expense of one sorry loser who ran from the US to avoid jail time.

As usual, you show you don't know what you're talking about. He was
not scheduled to serve jail time but was on probation for his "crime"
of selling medicinal (not illegal) herbs. Read about it here...

http://www.rense.com/general88/fedkidnap.htm

> None of their "alt medicines" where touted, not even any truth about why
> the poor slob was arrested.

The "poor slob" was arrested for encroaching upon FDA's monopoly turf
in the USA and threatening the profits of the drug makers (the same
reason you are here now, to protect those interests.)

<remainder of newbie pharmnut rant snipped>
From: PeterB - Original on
On Dec 18, 5:15 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 18, 4:12 pm, PeterB - Original <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 18, 1:48 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 18, 1:39 pm, Jim <willcox...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Alternative Medicine Pioneer Kidnapped by US Government in Ecuador
> > > > Medical News Comentaries
> > > > 17 December 2009 9 Comments
>
> > > > Dear IMVA,
>
> > > > Yesterday I received a disturbing email from Greg Caton’s wife,
>
> > > This the same Gregory James Caton previously convicted of a Felony
> > > crime in 1990?
>
> > Yes, for selling herbals, which is a crime depending on how carefully
> > you step (and sometimes regardless) with regard to product labeling,
> > lest the seller encroach upon FDA's own monopoly of lies, the most
> > notable of which is that drugs prevent and cure disease. Metagenics
> > was once prosecuted for false claims about a calcium supplement, for
> > example, but they later won the case when the *existing* science was
> > produced to support their marketing claims.
>
> > > The same Gregory James Caton charged with Felon in Possession of
> > > firearms in 2003? (A lot of them.)
>
> > WOW, a gun owner and herbal medicine advocate all in the same body.
> > What's next, Bambi holding a Bowie?
>
> > > Read the indictment yourself.http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document1.pdf
>
> > FDA's drug claims are the premise for charges against him, which means
> > it's a pretty safe bet that none of this was based on any science
> > whatsoever, but rather on the perceived risk of competitive threat by
> > FDA's buddies in the drug business.
>
> > > He agreed to the prosecution without indictment by the Grand Jury.http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document2.pdf
>
> > > He entered a plea of Guilty and accepted Judgmenthttp://www.meditopia..org/docs/04-20075-01.document3.pdf
>
> > > He agreed to a fine of $250k and 5 years minimum.http://www.meditopia..org/docs/04-20075-01.document4.pdf
>
> > > And then after he was let out he skipped on his probation, moved to
> > > another country with lax laws to do the same thing all over again.
>
> > > All of the case docs here:http://www.meditopia.org/docs
>
> > What a busy penguin you are these days, Potemkin. You might want to
> > read the other side of the story on Caton's website, athttp://www.altcancer.com/h3o.htm.
>
> > > No wonder Mikey Adams supports him.
>
> > And you don't, because the rights of citizens in a free society mean
> > nothing to you.
>
> Au contraire. However, there is no question that his marketing tactics
> violarted Federal law.

Oh? What proof do you have that his company's marketing violated
Federal Law?

> One does not get prosecuted without having
> apmple opportunity to prove one's claims with some science.

Care to provide any documentation on those claims, and how they were
false?

> He skipped that part. Even Hulda's Henchmen saw the wise thing to do
> was to stop making unsupportable claims.

You have only pointed to an indictment, no actual evidence of what was
claimed. Typical.

> As for being a felon in possession, I often wonder how the gun right
> absolutists, those who claim that owning a gun is an inalienable right...

An "inalienable" right is not the same as one provided for under the
US Constitution.

> (one that cannot be removed under any circumstances) and then support
> prisoners not being armed.

Non sequitur. Prisoners are incarcerated with many rights suspended.
Caton was not in jail.

> If the right is inalienable, then even they
> should be carrying. I heard that prison is a dangerous place, with
> lots of criminals.

You are dangerous but somehow free. Don't tell me, you have an
"inalienable" right to practice stupidity without a license.
From: Jan Drew on
On Dec 18, 4:12 pm, PeterB - Original <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 18, 1:48 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 18, 1:39 pm, Jim <willcox...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Alternative Medicine Pioneer Kidnapped by US Government in Ecuador
> > > Medical News Comentaries
> > > 17 December 2009 9 Comments
>
> > > Dear IMVA,
>
> > > Yesterday I received a disturbing email from Greg Caton’s wife,
>
> > This the same Gregory James Caton previously convicted of a Felony
> > crime in 1990?
>
> Yes, for selling herbals, which is a crime depending on how carefully
> you step (and sometimes regardless) with regard to product labeling,
> lest the seller encroach upon FDA's own monopoly of lies, the most
> notable of which is that drugs prevent and cure disease.  Metagenics
> was once prosecuted for false claims about a calcium supplement, for
> example, but they later won the case when the *existing* science was
> produced to support their marketing claims.
>
> > The same Gregory James Caton charged with Felon in Possession of
> > firearms in 2003? (A lot of them.)
>
> WOW, a gun owner and herbal medicine advocate all in the same body.
> What's next, Bambi holding a Bowie?
>
> > Read the indictment yourself.http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document1.pdf
>
> FDA's drug claims are the premise for charges against him, which means
> it's a pretty safe bet that none of this was based on any science
> whatsoever, but rather on the perceived risk of competitive threat by
> FDA's buddies in the drug business.
>
> > He agreed to the prosecution without indictment by the Grand Jury.http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document2.pdf
>
> > He entered a plea of Guilty and accepted Judgmenthttp://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document3.pdf
>
> > He agreed to a fine of $250k and 5 years minimum.http://www.meditopia.org/docs/04-20075-01.document4.pdf
>
> > And then after he was let out he skipped on his probation, moved to
> > another country with lax laws to do the same thing all over again.
>
> > All of the case docs here:http://www.meditopia.org/docs
>
> What a busy penguin you are these days, Potemkin.  You might want to
> read the other side of the story on Caton's website, athttp://www.altcancer.com/h3o.htm.
>
> > No wonder Mikey Adams supports him.
>
> And you don't, because the rights of citizens in a free society mean
> nothing to you.

Mark S Probert is eager to talk about others, but lies over and over
about his own disbarrment.

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/sandraprobert.htm

In the Matter of Mark Probert (Admitted as Mark S. Probert), a
Suspended Attorney, Respondent.
Grievance Committee for the Tenth Judicial District, Petitioner.

92-02731

SUPREME COURT OF NEW YORK, APPELLATE DIVISION, SECOND DEPARTMENT

183 A.D.2d 282; 590 N.Y.S.2d 747

November 9, 1992, Decided

PRIOR HISTORY: [***1]

Disciplinary proceedings instituted by the Grievance Committee for the
Tenth Judicial District. Respondent was admitted to the Bar on
February 15, 1978, at a term of the Appellate Division of the Supreme
Court in the Second Judicial Department, under the name Mark S.
Probert.

DISPOSITION: Ordered that the petitioner's motion to impose discipline
upon the respondent based upon his failure to appear or answer is
granted; and it is further,

HEADNOTES: Attorney and Client - Disciplinary Proceedings

Respondent attorney, who is charged with 22 counts of failing to
cooperate with investigations of alleged misconduct by the Grievance
Committee, and who has failed to answer or appear, is disbarred.

COUNSEL:

Frank A. Finnerty, Jr., Westbury (Muriel L. Gennosa of counsel), for
petitioner.

JUDGES: Mangano, P. J., Thompson, Bracken, Sullivan and Harwood, JJ.,
concur.

Ordered that the petitioner's motion to impose discipline upon the
respondent based upon his failure to appear or answer is granted; and
it is further,

Ordered that pursuant to Judiciary Law § 90, effective immediately,
the respondent, Mark Probert, is disbarred and his name is stricken
from the roll of attorneys and counselors-at-law; and it is further,

Ordered that the respondent shall continue to comply with this Court's
rules governing the conduct of disbarred, suspended and resigned
attorneys (22 NYCRR 691.10); and it is further,

Ordered that pursuant to Judiciary [***2] Law § 90, the respondent,
Mark Probert, is commanded to continue to desist and refrain (1) from
practicing law in any form, either as principal or as agent, clerk or
employee of another, (2) from appearing as an attorney or
counselor-at-law before any court, Judge, Justice, board, commission
or other public authority, (3) from giving to another an opinion as to
the law or its application or any advice in relation thereto, and (4)
from holding himself out in any way as an attorney and
counselor-at-law.

OPINIONBY: Per Curiam.

OPINION: [*282]

[**747] By decision and order of this Court dated September 29,
1989, the respondent was suspended from the practice of law until the
further order of this Court based upon his failure to cooperate with
the Grievance Committee. By further order of this Court dated June 4,
1992, the Grievance Committee was authorized to institute and
prosecute a disciplinary proceeding [*283] against the respondent
and the Honorable Moses M. Weinstein was appointed as Special Referee.

[**748] A notice of petition and petition was personally served upon
the respondent on July 2, 1992. No answer was forthcoming. The
petitioner now moves to hold the [***3] respondent in default. The
motion was personally served upon the respondent on August 14, 1992.
The respondent has failed to submit any papers in response to the
default motion.

The charges involve 22 counts of the respondent's failure to cooperate
with the Grievance Committee in its investigations into complaints of
professional misconduct.

The charges, if established, would require the imposition of a
disciplinary sanction against the respondent. Since the respondent has
chosen not to appear or answer in these proceedings, the charges must
be deemed established. The petitioner's motion to hold the respondent
in default and impose discipline is, therefore, granted. Accordingly,
the respondent is disbarred and his name is stricken from the roll of
attorneys and counselors-at-law, effective immediately

Source:

NY UNIFIED COURT SYSTEM, ATTORNEY REGIST. UNIT

Currency Status:

ARCHIVE RECORD

NAME & PROFESSIONAL INFORMATION

Name:

MARK PROBERT

Date Of Birth:

11/XX/1946

Gender:

MALE

Address:

1698 WEBSTER AVE

MERRICK, NY 11566

County:

NASSAU

Phone:

516-968-5572

EMPLOYER INFORMATION

Employer:

MARK S PROBERT ESQ

Organization:

PERSON

LICENSING INFORMATION

Licensing Agency:

NY STATE OFFICE OF COURT ADMINISTRATION

License/Certification Type:

ATTORNEY

License Number:

1253889

Issue Date:

00/00/1978

License Status:

DISBARRED

License State:

NY
From: Kofi on
> As for being a felon in possession, I often wonder how the gun right
> absolutists, those who claim that owning a gun is an inalienable right
> (one that cannot be removed under any circumstances) and then support
> prisoners not being armed. If the right is inalienable, then even they
> should be carrying. I heard that prison is a dangerous place, with
> lots of criminals.

This is just false on its face. People have an inalienable right to
life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - but you can be executed
with due process of the law when convicted for certain crimes. A
murderer alienates himself from that right to life by his actions *and*
since he is a citizen with a right to vote for the government who made
the laws he broke, those laws have been legitimately constituted. You
may not agree with those laws, but as a citizen you are still bound by
them. You can also lose the right to vote for similar reasons - or the
right to possess a gun. People often confuse procedural due process
with substantive due process.

Frankly, there is no absolute right to own a gun. The Second Amendment
deals with the defense of states by militias. For an individual to have
any chance at victory in a fight with the federal military - which is
why the NRA suggests we still need guns - frankly, you'd need to have
anthrax, tanks and atom bombs.