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From: Your Name Here=Harvey on 24 Sep 2005 05:58
When you're ill, seriously ill, do you go with how you feel?

eg.

Do you eat something which you feel you shouldn't?

Let us say, you have a complete loss of appetite, so do you
follow what your body and senses tell you?
ie. You shouldn't eat this or that, and not drink this or that?
Because it tastes awful and you absolutely feel you shouldn't
be eating or drinking, this or that.

OR

Do you just eat this or that, drink this or that, regardless.
Force it down you, thinking that this will be OK, because you
need to eat or drink something...
Even though it tastes awful, etc. You should force it down anyhow...


AND

Would you do the same with medicine?
Force down medicine, thinking it'll do more good than harm.


When you're seriously ill, I think it's very difficult to decide
exactly what to do?
If you are very scared, you have to follow what your body tells you,
thinking this is the right thing to do?

But if you have loss of sleep - then your thinking and judgement
is impaired, so it's very difficult to make a fair and good judgement
of the situation you are in.


I would be interested in peoples' comments and what would they do?


Harvey


From: Eleonore Beaudoin on 24 Sep 2005 07:51

Your Name Here=Harvey (kiwi(a)ing.notin.aus) writes:
> When you're ill, seriously ill, do you go with how you feel?
>
> eg.
>
> Do you eat something which you feel you shouldn't?
>
> Let us say, you have a complete loss of appetite, so do you
> follow what your body and senses tell you?
> ie. You shouldn't eat this or that, and not drink this or that?
> Because it tastes awful and you absolutely feel you shouldn't
> be eating or drinking, this or that.
>
> OR
>
> Do you just eat this or that, drink this or that, regardless.
> Force it down you, thinking that this will be OK, because you
> need to eat or drink something...
> Even though it tastes awful, etc. You should force it down anyhow...
>
>
> AND
>
> Would you do the same with medicine?
> Force down medicine, thinking it'll do more good than harm.
>
>
> When you're seriously ill, I think it's very difficult to decide
> exactly what to do?
> If you are very scared, you have to follow what your body tells you,
> thinking this is the right thing to do?
>
> But if you have loss of sleep - then your thinking and judgement
> is impaired, so it's very difficult to make a fair and good judgement
> of the situation you are in.
>
>
> I would be interested in peoples' comments and what would they do?
>
>
> Harvey
>
>


Depends. If it is a sort of illness where I feel the body tries to not eat
to use all energy to fight what it is fighting, I will not force it toeat.
But if it gets to where eating is needed for ebergy, I will force it down,
yet being carful to not eat things that woudl take it forever to digest
and take a lot of energy ourt of the fighting whatever is bugging it.

Digestion can take a lot of energy where the body will soemtimes do what
it can to cut your appetite in order to use the nenergy it would spend on
digestion to refocuss it on fighting the virus or intruder/bug.

But of course, in turn and after some time, food is needed to give the
body energy too.

As for medcine, it can get tricky, as some really can happen to not fit a
given person.

I rememebr a concrete example.
I had this caugh the second I woudl go to bed, would lay down, thatforced
me out of any sleep. I went to see a dr who gave me a strogn caugh syrup.
But the caugh went on and on. The bottle was all used up and I wnt back to
the dr who renewed the syrup. I felt it was not helping and even started
to suspect that it did not fit me and actually made things worse, but I
still listened to the dr...In the meantime gettign wose and worse.

Went back to the dr to say about the syrup not helping, She just handed me
a prescription for a third bottle. I bougt it and after two three days
anounced to my then bfriend I was NPOT gonna take it anymore as it was
clear it was not helping the caugh and as I also suspected it made things
worse by that time, enoug to warrant stopping it.

I latewr learned that it was that very dr that had passed tsts that
revealed I had graves disease; that she just never called me to let me
know. I learned of it years later, accidentally, in a hospital
emergency, the same that ahd doen the tests and saw it on file and told me
I had graves disease, thinking I knew.

I then learned that poeple with graves disease are NOT to touch caugh
syrup at all, as it contains iodone and can aggravte or even trigger
graves disease.

So I knew I did well to throw the syrup out, but that I should have
listened to my body faster. Yet as you said, when sick, we just try and
trust a dr, specially when we lack sleep and can not think too well on our
own...

More recently, in the last years, a dr woudl constantly give me
clyndamycon to take, followign a swelling due to they did not know what,
sinuses or teeth, where I ahd intraveinous antibios for a fll week three
tiems a day at a hospital after spending 3.5 months on clyndamycin.
The intrvaeinous were of other kinds of antibios that barely started
working after 6 days,w ehre I begged them to please not stop now, but
where they did not hear me.

The fproblem went on, where the dr then kept giving me clyndamycin to take
up toa total of 5 months and a alf straught!
I ept complainign that it was killing my digestive track, that
I felt weaker and weaker, that eatign anythign was more and more
problematic and painful. I;d be handed more clyndamycin told that
soemtiems it can take a logn tiem to rid of soemthing. I;d insist "But 5
months and a half, dr????? Maybe this does not fit me, maybe I shoudl take
what does, like erythromycin or somethign else?" But I was told nonono,
best to stay on the same...


I was sent to specialists for sinuses and to dentists that also woudl give
me clyndamycin, after asign if I took any antibios and I woud tell them
that yes, clyndamycin, but...
Theyw oud not listen to me at all...
I;d insist it had been motnhs, but they woudl say "Sioemtiems it takes a
logn tiem to rid of soemthing".
ARGH!

Finally I went to another gp.
In another clinic.
He asked if I took any antibios to try and control the sinus/teeth
infection. I started to explain that well, yes, but for 5.5 months now, dr...
And he said he woudl prescribed me clyndamycin....
I then just sighed "But I have been taking clydamycin for five and a half
months now, and it just d...
-I beg your pardon? hat dd you just say?
-Oh...I have been prescribed clyndamycin for five and a half straight
motnhs dr, and it just is killing me:(. I came to see you hopign a dr
woudl hear me out and have some betetr idea...
-What antibio did you say you took for hwo long?
-Clyndamycin...5.5 motnhs in a row now:(, save for seven days of other
antibios at the hospitl as I got worse...
-Surely you are mistaken. You were not prescrived *clyndamycin* all that
time, but other antibios...?
-Nonono. Here, I still have a bottle of 170 prescribed to me where it
still is half full....
-...Mam....Clyndamycin is to never be taken more than one month max, as it
can create serious intstinal problems. It gives way to a bad acteria that
si very very hard to rid of...
-Tell em about it! I kept tellign them all but they all wodl say
"soemtiems it takes a long time to rid fo soemthing" and woudl prescribe
me another fulld arn monht of it...And well, if yous ee the date on this
bottle I just ahnded you and count what is left, you wills ee I gave up,
as by now it is clear to me it not only i working but i hurtign me!
-I'll say...You must be in an awful shaoe all right! Headaches?
-Yes! And I never had them before...
-Digestive problems?
-160 times a day!;-):(...
-...Joints?
-All bones in my feet are killing me. Ankles too, rest is spine and other
jonts if less bad...
-Who;s the idiot who prescribed you that?
-Oh. Does it matter? A while bunch anyway that knew I took soem already
but insted I take more, not eharign em out at all.
-Ma'm, this is really bad. Donlt worry, you will win over it, but it might
take yo a full year to recover from it. In the meantime, no matter who
wants to rpescribe you ckyndamycin, tel tehm I forbid it and to call me if
they must know why.

So there too I had doen well to not follow drs ordersd nymore if I was so
sicxk that I yet went with their word for way way too long.

Lately, I think the less I see drs the better I will feel.
And I try and avoid them even at the supermarket;-)
They never did one thing to help me wiht Graves disease to this day.In
fact,m they did a lot that might have triggered Graves disease, like cough
syrups and all that, and that also gave ay to additional problems, liek
the clyndamycin prescribed liek they ahd huge shares in the coompany.
Probably a 13% commmission on all sales:(, pushign ot down patients'
throat for a buck.

And really...The elss I see them the better it is.

The alst tie Is aw my gp, for my annual in early July, she was so rude and
incompeotent, using my medicard but not even dogn an exam, forget a yearly
one wehre I ahd tow ait a year for that apointment, th forst she woudle
ver have done in follow9gn me supposedly sicne three eyars, that when I
tried t say that I woudl have hoped for blood tests to check where the
Graves was at (supposed to be doen each three weeks, darn it!:(), she
snapped that if I was nto happy, I just ahd to fidn another dr. Total
impunity arrogfance, cause they know of the shorage and of poeple beign
stuck.
So I decided that if there is no other dr, ther will not be her either.
Cause she never once ever did anythign at all for me save push clyndamycin
when all I kept begging for was a refereal to an ednocrinologist given Graves.

Never had one eferral from her in all those years.
And here in Quebec, you can not go see a specialist unless referrred bya
gp, and beign on a long long waitign list.

An do, I live without emdical help, cause simply, there is none in Quebec.
Drs are just phramnacist reps.


C




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From: N0body on 2 Oct 2005 10:44
When I'm ill, I try to do anything which will make me better. Right now I'm
suffering from diverticulitus ... it began about ten days ago, but events
have kept me from getting to the doctor. Luckily, it hasn't yet knocked me
off my feet, because I knew from past experience what to do.

But I'll go to the doctor tomorrow (Monday) if at all possible and then take
the medicine he prescribes.

N0body


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