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From: Kurt on 9 Oct 2008 02:44
http://www.joslin.org/managing_your_diabetes_4494.asp



From: Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD on 9 Oct 2008 06:30
Kurt wrote:
>
> http://www.joslin.org/managing_your_diabetes_4494.asp

Because type-2 diabetes (T2DM) is a "risk equivalent" for
cardiovascular disease (CVD), folks wanting to avoid CVD have a need
to avoid T2DM.

The latter is achieved by not overeating so as not to acquire VAT,
which is the root cause of T2DM.

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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
From: Alan S on 9 Oct 2008 20:19
On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:44:11 -0700 (PDT), Kurt
<kurtwheeling1965(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

>http://www.joslin.org/managing_your_diabetes_4494.asp
>
>
From the link:

"A1C levels of less than 7 percent can also have heart
healthy benefits."

Not when compared to A1c levels of less than 6 percent.

"Eat wisely.
Cut back on foods high in saturated fat, trans fat, and
cholesterol, such as butter, eggs, meat, and whole milk. Eat
more foods high in fiber like fruits, vegetables, and whole
grain breads."

No thanks.

I'll stick to aiming under 6% and eating in a way that does
not give me post-prandial spikes. Eating more fruits and
whole grain breads does not help me do that.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
--
d&e, metformin 2000 mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com (Be Smart, Be Skeptical)
dLife http://tinyurl.com/54get5 (Diabetes Diet Wars)
From: Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD on 10 Oct 2008 07:03
convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Kurt wrote:
>
> >> http://www.joslin.org/managing_your_diabetes_4494.asp
>
> >Because type-2 diabetes (T2DM) is a "risk equivalent" for
> >cardiovascular disease (CVD), folks wanting to avoid CVD have a need
> >to avoid T2DM.
>
> >The latter is achieved by not overeating so as not to acquire VAT,
> >which is the root cause of T2DM.
>
> Lowering risk is NOT equivalent to avoiding CVD.

However, having a "risk equivalent" for CVD is synonymous with having
CVD.

Bottom line concerning your lack of understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ba984ac508d8620a

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From: Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD on 10 Oct 2008 15:14
convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> > Kurt wrote:
>
> >> >> http://www.joslin.org/managing_your_diabetes_4494.asp
>
> >> >Because type-2 diabetes (T2DM) is a "risk equivalent" for
> >> >cardiovascular disease (CVD), folks wanting to avoid CVD have a need
> >> >to avoid T2DM.
>
> >> >The latter is achieved by not overeating so as not to acquire VAT,
> >> >which is the root cause of T2DM.
>
> >> Lowering risk is NOT equivalent to avoiding CVD.
>
> >However, having a "risk equivalent" for CVD is synonymous with having
> >CVD.
>
> Only if the risk is 100%.

Incorrect.

T2DM is a "risk equivalent" for CVD because the risk of either heart
attack or stroke is the same as for someone who has already had either
a heart attack or stroke thereby establishing the diagnosis of CVD.

IOW, diagnosing someone with T2DM is essentially diagnosing them with
CVD.

Truth is simple.

Bottom line concerning your difficulties with understanding simple
things:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/773bdee360f7775e?

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