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From: Bob LeChevalier on 4 May 2008 13:53 robertcinqmars(a)comcast.net wrote: >According to statistics available from the US Department of Education, >approximately 43% of bachelors degree seeking college students DON'T >graduate after SIX years of trying. Fallacious statement. http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d07/tables/dt07_318.asp Of students who started a bachelor's program in 1995, 58% had received a Bachelor's degree by 2001, 6 years later. Most of the rest (42%, not 43%, though perhaps a later set of data had changed by 1%) were NOT "after 6 years of trying". 6.7% had chosen to take a certificate or an associates degree. They probably had not been enrolled for a few years. Thus they hadn't been trying for 6 years. 20.5% were not enrolled and were not seeking a degree. Some probably flunked out; others had family or financial reasons; most probably decided that they didn't really want to go to college - a lot of kids start college because they are expected to, not because they really want more education. Only 14.4% had no degree and were still enrolled. A significant percentage of these were part time students, often working full time, while taking a couple of courses at a time. Since a quarter of all students who attend college, attend part time, it is logical that a good chunk of them would not have gotten their degree even "after 6 years of trying". They don't need your book of advice. A number of them started out seeking a certificate and not a bachelor's degree but are still counted in the 42% because they were at a 4 year college. lojbab Bob LeChevalier - artificial linguist; genealogist lojbab(a)lojban.org Lojban language www.lojban.org
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